19-03-2005 21:45									#301
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc The unity is that no one wants to deal with SS, Sava. They might as well not deal with it together.

Why would the right-wing want unity with the Dems when they smell an opportunity to gain political advantage with a wedge issue? They failed at doing so with SS, so this presents another chance for them.

	19-03-2005 23:13									#302
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it appears we are right about Republican motives for politicizing this issue... ABCNews has a copy of a Republican memo, outlining the reasons the GOP should make this an issue...

quote: ABC News obtained talking points circulated among Senate Republicans explaining why they should vote to intervene in the Schiavo case. Among them, that it is an important moral issue and the "pro-life base will be excited," and that it is a "great political issue — this is a tough issue Democrats."

link: http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Schiavo/s...d=595905&page=2

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	19-03-2005 23:25									#303
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Unfortunately, in Florida, that's murder.

Che I already said that it was considered murder and was then directed to go red a dictionary on that term. SEcond I have merely stated my opinion that he seems to have a vested stake other then love if, thats slander then I am guilty. And for the record Istated let her die just dont starve her to death. And for another thing nobody snd I mean nobdy as ever heard this woman say to kill her off if she is in a state like this. Her husband is the only one that claims this.

	19-03-2005 23:28									#304
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quote: Her husband is the only one that claims this.

IIRC, Michael Schiavo's brother and one of Terri's brothers have testified to Terri's wishes.

	19-03-2005 23:36									#305
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Then I stand corrected. And just fyi This issue is not political for me Its a matter of sympathy for the way they let her die. Call me a bleeding heart

	19-03-2005 23:38									#306
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski Then I stand corrected. And just fyi This issue is not political for me Its a matter of sympathy for the way they let her die. Call me a bleeding heart

for what it's worth, I mostly agree with you about wanting her to die by injection rather than starvation... but it really doesn't make a difference because if she is PVS, starvation won't cause her any pain or discomfort anyways.

plus I don't think you are a fundie whacko or anything... I think you are a moral person with the best intentions.

	19-03-2005 23:41									#307
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I wasnt just refering about her feeling the discomfort either, I was aslo including the helathcare workers and other family member watch her waste away. Thank you Ill take that last comment as a compliment

	19-03-2005 23:49									#308
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quote: Then I stand corrected.

He doesn't remember correctly...

	20-03-2005 00:29									#309
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quote: Originally posted by Sava it appears we are right about Republican motives for politicizing this issue... ABCNews has a copy of a Republican memo, outlining the reasons the GOP should make this an issue... link: http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Schiavo/s...d=595905&page=2 PWNED!

Please note, Delay disavowed knowledge of the points and called them disgusting. Anyone could have circulated them and its not like abcnews is riding high on a wave of honesty and impartiality.

Now, if someone could explain why the GOP need to stir up the religious right. Its not like they're gonna vote democrat for the forseeable future.

	20-03-2005 00:33									#310
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I can't stand watching her die slowly

spoiler(highlight to read): I'm going to pull a Clint Eastwood on her ass

	20-03-2005 00:36									#311
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH Please note, Delay disavowed knowledge of the points and called them disgusting. Anyone could have circulated them and its not like abcnews is riding high on a wave of honesty and impartiality.

and Tom Delay has proved he can be trusted!


ABCNews dishonest? Nice ad hominem fallacy argument.

But I understand you completely. You don't have any facts to present, so you try to discredit the source.

quote: Now, if someone could explain why the GOP need to stir up the religious right. Its not like they're gonna vote democrat for the forseeable future.

It's fairly obvious. The Repukes want their base to be in a constant state of mouth-frothing attack. Plus, the second people stop worrying about moral issues, they might start to realize that the GOP's right wing economic agenda is bad for America.

	20-03-2005 00:37									#312
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara This thread is proof that conservatives are evil.

and people willing to cause a woman to starve to death are evil. Kill her with lethal injection at least. Nobody has the balls to do it like Dr. K.

	20-03-2005 00:46									#313
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I dont think its the balls they lack here I think its the idea of prison that scares them

	20-03-2005 02:31									#314
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Well, given the way our state government is, it's certain that were she to be euthanized, they'd have the person in jail quicker than you can get Falwell to say homosexuality is evil. Of course, Pinellas county is significantly more liberal than the rest of the state, so it might be a safe bet.

If it was me, I'd just fly her to Oregon, and have her euthanized there.

	20-03-2005 03:05									#315
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I was just about to come out right now and call the family pussies, but the news just reported the sister was trying to feed their sister.

The family should attempt by any means possible to feed their daughter. Including the use of force. And then when in prison they should stage a hunger strike.

But I guess not all people are politically minded.

	20-03-2005 03:36									#316
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Wasnt it stated she cant swallow? how can see eat?Though i respect that idea of feeding her, now she is just going to suffocate because she cant swallow.

	20-03-2005 03:39									#317
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The joys of aspiration.

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you steal the feeding machine and try to hook it up to her belly button (the news stories show the feeding tube going into her belly button).

I just like to see effort and drama.

wasn't there a denzel washington movie where he takes extreme action to get medical care for his son?

I want to see violence on the part of the family .

	20-03-2005 03:41									#319
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara The joys of aspiration.

Thats what is going to happen if the feed her by mouth and she cant swalow.

	20-03-2005 03:43									#320
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident you steal the feeding machine and try to hook it up to her belly button (the news stories show the feeding tube going into her belly button). I just like to see effort and drama. wasn't there a denzel washington movie where he takes extreme action to get medical care for his son? I want to see violence on the part of the family .

John Q yes your right. good movie but thats hollywood dear, in real life the family just gets thrown in jail.

	20-03-2005 03:52									#321
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I really wish lawmakers would fight as hard to save the lives of those who can't afford health care as they do for a woman who will never recover.

	20-03-2005 04:07									#322
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quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous I really wish lawmakers would fight as hard to save the lives of those who can't afford health care as they do for a woman who will never recover.

dont they here in texas we have a community hospital. govt funded dont good the best care but you are cared for.

	20-03-2005 04:17									#323
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH Please note, Delay disavowed knowledge of the points and called them disgusting.

You would expect him to fess up to it?

Considering all the muck that the corrupt DeLay is mired in, I'm astonished you'd believe anything he said.

	20-03-2005 04:39									#324
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov You would expect him to fess up to it? Considering all the muck that the corrupt DeLay is mired in, I'm astonished you'd believe anything he said.

Of course I dont trust him, he's a politician. It just doesnt make sense to circulate something so stupid and then have Delay immediately disown it. If some GOP staffer did write it, it's too easy to make the GOP and Delay look bad. Delay isnt that (politically) stupid.

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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski dont they here in texas we have a community hospital. govt funded dont good the best care but you are cared for.

Dyslexia?

LOL I just saw your sig.

	20-03-2005 04:43									#326
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH Dyslexia?

Dyslexia what? I am dyslexic it affects my spelling alot more then i like.

	20-03-2005 04:47									#327
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BTW For those that dont watch CSPAN this isnt over DeLay has organized a bipartisan move to stop her starvation while there's another appeal. There will be a special session tommorrow.

Our govt in action.

	20-03-2005 04:51									#328
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski Dyslexia what? I am dyslexic it affects my spelling alot more then i like.

Well I saw that sentence

"dont they here in texas we have a community hospital. govt funded dont good the best care but you are cared for."

and made a small joke (thinking you had just not thought about what you've written or perhaps had had a glass or two). Then I saw your sig and thought, oh ****. LOL. From what I've seen your condition is not normally apparent. Now GePap is another matter.

	20-03-2005 04:54									#329
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First how do you let the woman die? Starvation isnt the answer. This is a hard one While I have agreed she hasnt been a whole person for a long time there needs to be an alternative to starvation.

	20-03-2005 04:56									#330
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH Well I saw that sentence "dont they here in texas we have a community hospital. govt funded dont good the best care but you are cared for." and made a small joke (thinking you had just not thought about what you've written or perhaps had had a glass or two). Then I saw your sig and thought, oh ****. LOL. From what I've seen your condition is not normally apparent. Now GePap is another matter.

No sweat Im used to it, i am actually a very smart lady I jsut dont come across like that in my typing or writing