19-03-2005 12:43									#241
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I refuse to believe the man doesnt have a motive but thats neither here nor there Im not here to judge him nor have I simply stated that While I agree to let her die i dont agree to it by starvation.

	19-03-2005 12:44									#242
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Agreed. Let him euthenise her.

Except that route is closed here in the US.

So she should be left to vegitate until euthenisia is legal?

	19-03-2005 12:45									#243
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quote: Originally posted by Sava actually, your argument might be more absurd than the gay marriage leads to beastiality argument... I find it offensive.

What's offensive?

My oldest sister was retarded, she was as, MRT said:

quote: shes a waste of space and anyone that can find something redeeming about her living is nuts.

So, by his reasoning my sister should have been killed.

I find that idea offensive.

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	19-03-2005 12:46									#244
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I don't see any mention of retarded people.

	19-03-2005 12:46									#245
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski My wife's statements weren't malicious. So you are wrong legally and in your context.

Implying sans evidence that someone is seeking for their wife of many years to die out of nefarious reasons might just be seen as malicious.

Regardless, perhaps instead of relying on a website, you could look the word up--especially its everyday, non-legal usage--in an actual dictionary. They tend to be more ellaborative. And in mine, it notes that slander is something false that damages another's reputation. No malice necessary (though I suppose it would be rather implied).

	19-03-2005 12:46									#246
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Agreed. Let him euthenise her. Except that route is closed here in the US. So she should be left to vegitate until euthenisia is legal?

She's been there 15 years, plenty of time for the husband or any other interested party to get the law changed.

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	19-03-2005 12:49									#247
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski She's been there 15 years, plenty of time for the husband or any other interested party to get the law changed. ACK!

Wha...

Last time I checked, passing new laws, unless you are part of a well financed interest lobby, is a very, VERY hard thing for one individual to do. How the hell was one man going to change the state laws on euthinesia?

	19-03-2005 12:49									#248
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quote: Originally posted by Sava I don't see any mention of retarded people.

Um, Vegetative is severely retarded.

Retarded mental function.

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	19-03-2005 12:50									#249
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Wha... Last time I checked, passing new laws, unless you are part of a well financed interest lobby, is a very, VERY hard thing for one individual to do. How the hell was one man going to change the state laws on euthinesia?

Doesn't mean they should try does it?

Have they?

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	19-03-2005 12:52									#250
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Ok I didnt understand a word he just said. I seem to believe that there is more to it then him just not walking away.I didnt say he was a gold digger or anything. But if the parents want her alive why cant he just so ok and walk away

	19-03-2005 12:53									#251
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski Let's kill all the retarded people out there too, then we can do it to lazy people , fat people. The list goes on. HEIL! ACK!

if only killing one person whose been braindead for YEARS was a slippery slope. what are you? some kind of idiot?

	19-03-2005 12:55									#252
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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 if only killing one person whose been braindead for YEARS was a slippery slope. what are you? some kind of idiot?

Your reason for killing her is idiotic.

What does that make you?

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	19-03-2005 12:56									#253
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski Ok I didnt understand a word he just said. I seem to believe that there is more to it then him just not walking away.I didnt say he was a gold digger or anything. But if the parents want her alive why cant he just so ok and walk away

Maybe he thinks the parents are making the wrong choice for her based on thier wish not to see their child die before them because he thinks she would be better off death than in her current state?

That is the other possible choice, besides the one of him having alterior and selfish motives that are central to his desire.

	19-03-2005 12:56									#254
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my reason? cause shes a vegetable thats outlived the usefullness of medical procedure, and has people who are so concerned with a sham life want to keep her life. Im not an idiot, im spiteful.

	19-03-2005 12:59									#255
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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 dude, let her die. shes a waste of space and anyone that can find something redeeming about her living is nuts.

I don't see anything about usefullness of medical procedure in that post.

All I see is an attempt at asshattery.

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	19-03-2005 13:04									#256
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Maybe he thinks the parents are making the wrong choice for her based on thier wish not to see their child die before them because he thinks she would be better off death than in her current state? That is the other possible choice, besides the one of him having alterior and selfish motives that are central to his desire.

Maybe if the parents are willing to do so he can walk away. He has already madeanew life for himself why keep a hold of this brain dead wife that others want to care for?

	19-03-2005 13:05									#257
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god tubes, if youre gonna insult me, make sure its about something i dont already admit to.

secondly, would you prefer i always think everything through and never amend it later? well thats not what i do.

	19-03-2005 13:08									#258
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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 god tubes, if youre gonna insult me, make sure its about something i dont already admit to.

I wasn't trying to insult you. If I wanted to insult you I would insult you.

quote: secondly, would you prefer i always think everything through and never amend it later? well thats not what i do.

No kidding?

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	19-03-2005 13:10									#259
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski Maybe if the parents are willing to do so he can walk away.

But the parents have made it clear they would not end her vegetative state.

quote: He has already madeanew life for himself why keep a hold of this brain dead wife that others want to care for?

We don't know, and in the end its not our business, nor that of the Governor of Florida, the legislature, or Congress. The two parties fought it out in court, and the husband has won.

	19-03-2005 13:16									#260
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Gepap I know that already. I wonder why this guy fought so hard to kill her off. Granted she didnt have a real life to begin with well not one any of us could have understood,but why was it so important to him to let her die when her parents would have taken responsibility of her.

	19-03-2005 13:48									#261
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the main problem I have with this case is they are forcing her to start/dehydrate to death!!

They should inject her with something that will kill her painlessly, not let her starve to death.

Where's Kevorkian when you need him.

	19-03-2005 13:58									#262
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while I agree with you diss apperantly in florida they cant do that and I believe kevorkian is in prison
I get the jest of what your saying even if the old dude is dead.

	19-03-2005 14:01									#263
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yeah Dr. K is in prison in Michigan I believe.

	19-03-2005 14:07									#264
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quote: Why is it impossible to believe that he loves her and is fulfilling a commitment he made to her?

Common sense. Why do you keep ignoring the fact that he's been trying to pull the plug on her for years? He would've made a hefty sum of money if the parents hadn't fought him all these years...

	19-03-2005 17:32									#265
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski Let's kill all the retarded people out there too, then we can do it to lazy people , fat people. The list goes on. HEIL! ACK!

No we couldn't possibly do that - we'd lose at least half the Poly posters overnight!

	19-03-2005 20:25									#266
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: Why is it impossible to believe that he loves her and is fulfilling a commitment he made to her? Common sense. Why do you keep ignoring the fact that he's been trying to pull the plug on her for years? He would've made a hefty sum of money if the parents hadn't fought him all these years...

Um, the fact you seem to be ignoring has been pointed out here several times. He's been offered millions of dollars to turn over his rights as decision-maker in this case--far more money than that "hefty sum" you claim. Common sense says that if he's continued fighting for Terri's right to die to the point that said "hefty sum" is now gone and he's refused other heftier sums, that he must have some other interest.

	19-03-2005 20:35									#267
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski I never stated to let this lady live I said specifically if your going to remove the feeding tube by all means dont starve her to death kill her mercifully

Unfortunately, in Florida, that's murder.

	19-03-2005 20:36									#268
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Not really. I wouldn't take the outside offers either; doing so would make it pretty clear that you were only concerned about the money, not your wife's well being. All the money in the world won't repair your reputation if the public sees you in that way.

Holding out for the court to allow you to pull the feeding tube and thereby keeping the rest of the malpractice suit award offers the best of both worlds, though. It's unfortunate that the parents had to fight and prevent you from hitting the jackpot, but $50,000 ain't chump change...

	19-03-2005 20:43									#269
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Talk about "tortured reasoning." If he had walked away when the offers were first presented, he'd have millions in the bank and it wouldn't have achieved the level of national circus that it currently has. Any such damage to his "reputation" would quickly be forgotten, and it's not as if he would care, since he would have the cash he wanted.

But now thanks to the ultra-right's smear campaign and their nationalizing what should be just a family issue, his reputation has undergone far more damage than it would have otherwise (thanks to folks like you who are quick to smear him with out any evidence) and, what's more, there's no "hefty sum" left. Do you really think he would consider $50,000 worth the years spent in this struggle and what people have done to defame him? That's some of the dumbest logic I've read in a while.

	19-03-2005 20:50									#270
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quote: Do you really think he would consider $50,000 worth the years spent in this struggle and what people have done to defame him?

He doesn't really have a choice, does he? He ordered the folks at the nursing home to not resuscitate her starting in 1993. He would have made off like a champ had things went his way then. Unfortunately the parents put up a fight and he's been blowing the money meant to go for her medical fees on legal fees ever since. He's got offers from people to give up the rights, but they're obviously supportive of the parents and you have to figure that they won't keep quiet about you taking the money and running. Too much risk of public shaming there. So, he's stuck watching the money drain away, trying to pull the plug before it's all gone.

Hypothetically speaking, of course...