21-03-2005 09:42									#61
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this is what drudge says, anybody hear this, I'm unable to for some reason.

DRUDGE RADIO to present audio of Terri Schiavo 'responding to her father on Friday, immediately following the removal of her feeding tube'.... Check local listings...

http://www.frc.org/DL/20-MAR-05__EF...014AC14F856.mp3

	21-03-2005 09:45									#63
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OH BOY DRUDGERADIO... HOW ABOUT SOME PRAVDA AND AL JAZEERA NEXT?!

	21-03-2005 09:47									#64
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I would think this audio would be more akin to what is heard on Art Bell.

	21-03-2005 09:49									#65
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Its called the "Palm Sunday Compromise" - what complete and utter Bullshit. This personal matter has been blown far too out of proportion.

	21-03-2005 09:52									#66
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	21-03-2005 09:54									#67
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quote: Originally posted by asleepathewheel plop gurgle gurgle gurgle

drinking the kool-aid are we?

	21-03-2005 10:45									#68
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What a farce.

I liked the final two speakers on the issue in the house, the minority whip, and Tom "the scumbag" DeLay.

The Minority whipe form Maryland gave a 5 minutes speech, stating that this was an iontrusion of federal powers, that he saw it a s adangerous sing fo congress shopping for venues-and beyond that, that if one read the 50 page report of the Court appointed investigator who spent 20 days with this woman, that his report was very conlusive on the issue of the state of this woman- that essentially Terry Schiavo had had full due process afforded here, and the courts had made a ruling, and it was not Congresses place to step in.

The DeLay gave a short statement that whether the legal issues might be complicated, the moral issue was simple- that Congress could not let a woman be let to die of thirst, and that Congress had to act to save Terry.

So, from the few House dems opposing this (cowardly Senate Dems ): The courts that have jurisdiction have made rulings, they have made statements of facts, its not congresse role to get involved.
From DeLay: Who cares about the law, we have a moral imperative.

Maybe its just me, but I think it a slap in the face of not only states rights bu the power of the judiciary in this country to have Congress making laws specifically meant to shoip for venues and undermine the courts cause they have some moral crusade.

What more proof does anyone want that this republican leadership has screwed up values?

	21-03-2005 11:00									#69
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As many conservative columnists have stated (Peggy Noonan, anyone?), this is a battle that will only tarnish the Republicans if Terry dies.

	21-03-2005 11:05									#70
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UNless Terry gets up and starts jumping around, I think its likely the federal courts, once they start examining facts, will come to the same finding of fact as the State courts, and we will end in the same place.

I really hope someone challenges the constitutionality of this law. Its a horrible precendent.

	21-03-2005 11:38									#71
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Bush has signed it into law. It's now in the hands of the Federal courts

	21-03-2005 11:38									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Sava OH BOY DRUDGERADIO... HOW ABOUT SOME PRAVDA AND AL JAZEERA NEXT?!

Do you actually listen to his show? No. You just go by what commie liberal websites tell you to say.

He has a good show. you should have heard it today. He's against all this goverment intervention (both this case and in baseball).

And yes I'm a democrat. But I'm not a person who closes his mind to what the other side has to say. Occasionally conservatives are right about some issues.

	21-03-2005 11:40									#73
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Good for him. Now if only he could stop being such a scumbag...

	21-03-2005 11:59									#74
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bush has signed

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050321/D88V6PR00.html

	21-03-2005 12:00									#75
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quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous Good for him. Now if only he could stop being such a scumbag...

If you are talking about Schiavo's husband, then yes.

	21-03-2005 12:01									#76
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Y'know, is it just me or am I seeing Republicans doing things WRT to federal power that Democrats never had the balls to do?

And seeing the GOP spread its *** cheeks for the social right-wingers is cringe-worthy. My God. Another step closer to religious tyranny. These bastards actually had the gonads to claim they were being persecuted in America? Whatever. Then again, it should be interesting to see just how many of the moralists speak up on and take action against the death penalty, as I hear some of them are starting to do. So maybe it's not all that bad. Just 90 percent so.

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	21-03-2005 12:03									#77
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and if you guys are confused, I'm taking 2 positions on this issue.

I think the husband is lying and is a scumbag, but I do not like republicans and the federal goverment enacting laws for 1 person.

	21-03-2005 12:22									#78
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And I think the family are a bunch of lying scumbags trying to libel a loving husband, and I think the federal government is overstreaching their bounds and using this sleazy family for its own ends.

	21-03-2005 12:34									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui And I think the family are a bunch of lying scumbags trying to libel a loving husband

Indeed.Why would they released doctored tapes otherwise?

	21-03-2005 12:44									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia and this is why america is going down the drain - because power is no longer checked, because laws are being administered by the executive/ legislature instead of the judiciary, and this is why america has started its fall from power, much like rome did 8 centurie ago.

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui And I think the family are a bunch of lying scumbags trying to libel a loving husband, and I think the federal government is overstreaching their bounds and using this sleazy family for its own ends.

I still think loving husband is a joke. While I don't blame him for having a girlfriend and children with said girlfriend, it doesn't mean he was right to do it.

Wedding vows say "til death do us part", not, " til your wife is in a vegetative state."

ACK!

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Guys - opinions on the individuals involved go here, in Alva's thread. It's the one GePap linked to at the beginning of this thread.

www.apolyton.net/forums/showthread....80&pagenumber=5

Most of the opinions have been nicely on topic, i.e. federal intervention on the case. Please, let's keep the two threads seperate, I started this one when the name-calling had totally obscured the issues in the other thread.

	21-03-2005 14:13									#83
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The USA executes its own citizens every day but won't let a citizen die according to their own wishes. Truly bizarre.

	21-03-2005 17:35									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski does my estranged husband keep the right and authority to pull the plug.

Unless you were legally seperated, yes.

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quote: The USA executes its own citizens every day but won't let a citizen die according to their own wishes. Truly bizarre.

Terry tell you that personally, because she didn't tell anyone else.

Because executing murderers is SOOO the same thing.

	21-03-2005 17:46									#86
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She told many people what her wishes were and this is why every court case ended with her right to die being confirmed. Check the records yourself.

Of course now the religious nutjobs have got hold of her, they'll keep her body alive till it rots.

Executing murderers is the same thing. Its mindless cruelty, unfit for a civilised society.

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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos Terry tell you that personally, because she didn't tell anyone else.

In the other thread, someone reported there are two other witnesses, including one of Terry's brothers.

	21-03-2005 17:49									#88
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Don't think the president should have become involved. I don't know much about this situation, I don't really care for it because it doesn't seem very important. A woman is a vegetable, the husband claims she gave him permission to let her die or perform euthanasia which he intends to do, whereas her family wants her to keep living?

Tough one. Philosophically speaking I'd leave it in the hands of the doctors. Legally I suppose it must rest with the next of kin. If her request was false then obviously the husband shouldn't be allowed to get his way.

If it was true, well I have no opposition to euthanasia. When people have suffered and they decide they want no more, who is the state to decide if they can exercise the ultimate "right" of their life, over their own bodies and will... put simply it's theirs to kill, not the states'.

I don't know if Bush is forcing some tired Christian "preserve the protein of every WASP" dictat on them, if so then . If he's merely enforcing some antiquated and unjust law, then merely .

	21-03-2005 17:49									#89
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quote: Executing murderers is the same thing. Its mindless cruelty, unfit for a civilised society.

So Terry is the same thing as a murderer?

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quote: Executing murderers is the same thing. Its mindless cruelty, unfit for a civilised society.

By that logic, you would prosecute those who attempt suicide with a charge of attempted murder. I think there is a fundamental difference with taking anothers life forcefully without consent, and helping another to die of their own free will, with their own consent.

The two are only equable by the fact that death results which is a superficial similarity, there can be no comparisons between capital punishment and euthanasia.