27-03-2005 23:18									#271
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No Ukraine never have, that overrated POS Shevchenko will get to play at a world cup at least.

	27-03-2005 23:23									#272
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Overrated? You'd LOVE to have him on your squad... admit it .

Oh, and USA-Mexico just started in Azteca. The US is looking for its first victory in Mexico City, while the Mexicans try to save face after losing the last few times to the US teams. It is quickly becoming one of the best international rivalries in the world .

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quote: You say Beckham was **** but he was running all over, tracking back a lot, his freekicks were troubling their keeper at times, I wouldnt say he had a bad game, thats just all he ever does for us.

If a forward like Shearer were playing, Beckham would have been a lot more use. He's an excellent crosser and is at his most effective when crossing to players who are good in the air.

Neither Owen or Rooney could be described as that. Dyer was more effective in open play than Beckham since he did just what Rooney had been doing (running their left back ragged).

Beckham is the right guy in the wrong team.

	28-03-2005 00:13									#274
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Mexico 2 - 0 USA Half-time

	28-03-2005 01:23									#275
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2-1. Result.

	28-03-2005 10:08									#276
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Ouch... that sucked... though as long as Mexico still can't beat us outside of Azteca, I'll take it

Kind of amusing anecdote I heard. The US National Team offered to play the US leg of the qualifying matchup in Los Angeles (basically making it a second home game for Mexico) if the Mexicans held their leg OUTSIDE of Azteca (and closer to ground level). The Mexicans said no... so now the next game between the two is in Columbus, OH .

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Oh, and the funny thing on Bigsoccer.com, Americans commenting on the game are saying Bruce Arena (our national team manager) needs to use common sense and was dumb, etc, etc... kicking him under the curb, when it was because of him that we did so well after our collaspe in WC 98. I guess it's REALLY what have you done for me lately, eh?

	28-03-2005 18:26									#278
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in preparation for our match with azerbaijan, the sun newspaper is offering their keeper (who shipped eight (!) goals against poland on saturday) a yak for every goal he conceeds against us.

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	28-03-2005 18:35									#279
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quote: Kind of amusing anecdote I heard. The US National Team offered to play the US leg of the qualifying matchup in Los Angeles (basically making it a second home game for Mexico)

damn, your mexicans suck ass, if they don't root for team USA.

	28-03-2005 19:25									#280
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel quote: Kind of amusing anecdote I heard. The US National Team offered to play the US leg of the qualifying matchup in Los Angeles (basically making it a second home game for Mexico) damn, your mexicans suck ass, if they don't root for team USA.

That they do, Az. Any game in LA between the US and Mexico invariably becomes a home game for Mexico, because the Mexicans in the area root for Mexico over the US, even if they were born in the US. That's why our national team tries to avoid scheduling any games against Mexico in LA (we used to a decade or so ago just so we'd SELL OUT the stadium ).

	28-03-2005 22:11									#281
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel [q] damn, your mexicans suck ass, if they don't root for team USA.

Why shouldn't a Mexican support Mexico?

	28-03-2005 22:13									#282
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Most British Asians/West Indians support their teams in cricket

	28-03-2005 22:15									#283
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet Why shouldn't a Mexican support Mexico?

I think he is taking about Mexicans who have become US citizens or Mexicans who were born in the US.

Kind of like a Pakistani who was born in Britain. You'd want him to back Britain instead of Pakistan is crickit, wouldn't you?

	28-03-2005 22:22									#284
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My grandfather was Polish but I dont support Poland when England play them. Maybe its these mini-Pakistan inside England communities they create for themselves they never get into our culture or whatever, obviously racism plays a part in that too. A few do support England only of course too.

	28-03-2005 22:31									#285
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Yep, and therefore, Az's comments make sense. Mexicans who are American citizens or were born here should back the US over Mexico. Maybe it is because of our lack of soccer history which has pushed them over to back another country over their home country. We need to get their kids on our side, though.

	28-03-2005 22:31									#286
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Kind of like a Pakistani who was born in Britain. You'd want him to back Britain instead of Pakistan is crickit, wouldn't you?

Yes i would, but most of them don't.

There was a minor political stink here a few years ago, some MP said immigrants (and their decendants)should take the 'cricket test' to see if they were really British. Meaning that if you still supported the 'old' country you had failed the test.

	28-03-2005 22:42									#287
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quote: Yes i would, but most of them don't.

And that is what Az was saying... the Mexicans in the US suck if they don't support their country . Same thing with you. You want them to back the country they are a part of, rather than their old ancestoral homes.

	28-03-2005 22:49									#288
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But why do you want them to? Shouldnt we let them support whoever they want?

	28-03-2005 22:50									#289
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quote: Originally posted by Maquiladora But why do you want them to? Shouldnt we let them support whoever they want?

No, support the country you live in, dammit

	28-03-2005 22:52									#290
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Why is that?

	28-03-2005 23:03									#291
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Because, you chose to live in the new country, you shouldn't hold onto the 'old country'. It's distasteful. I find it bad that my parents do it. Why move to a country if you pine for the old country? Just to take its money? Bah!

	28-03-2005 23:07									#292
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So if I move to the US for better pay or a better quality of life, it means I have to support the US over England now? No thanks.

	28-03-2005 23:09									#293
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you should support your country of birth. i'm english, wherever i go nothing will ever change that

	28-03-2005 23:10									#294
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So if i have kids there they should support the US and not England? No chance!

	28-03-2005 23:15									#295
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quote: Originally posted by Maquiladora So if I move to the US for better pay or a better quality of life, it means I have to support the US over England now? No thanks.

Yep. If you just want to be English, stay in England . Though it is more understandable that being born and raised in a country and backing a country that you've never even been in. Throw 'em back across the border, if they love it there so much .

	28-03-2005 23:16									#296
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if i had kids in some dirty foreign country i'd make damn sure they supported that country.

	28-03-2005 23:18									#297
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	28-03-2005 23:18									#298
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quote: Originally posted by C0ckney if i had kids in some dirty foreign country i'd make damn sure they supported that country.

Maybe it is different in Europe, but changing citizenship to me is like a religious conversion. You shouldn't hold on to your old life, you have been born again!

	28-03-2005 23:21									#299
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui ...Throw 'em back across the border, if they love it there so much .

So if they dont support your football team in favour of their own or their parents, you want them all deported? Or just the kids?

	28-03-2005 23:26									#300
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quote: Maybe it is different in Europe, but changing citizenship to me is like a religious conversion. You shouldn't hold on to your old life, you have been born again!

I feel this way, too, however I also feel like that if some country/society did something for me, I owe it something. I am thinking about me renouncing my Russian citizenship for those reasons: Is the society that raised me in my early childhood completely dead? should I kling on to whatever elements that are left there?


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I would never even think of supporting Russia against Israel, though . Supporting Russia against other teams is fine by me.