22-03-2005 20:22									#181
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Doesn't matter either way, the best team on the day won.

And it was the linesman that gave it.

	22-03-2005 20:23									#182
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Indeed, like you said, he gave it.

	22-03-2005 20:26									#183
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I'm sure everyone's heard the rumours that he said "That's for Stalingrad". Clearly not true but funny.

	22-03-2005 20:30									#184
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I forgot about that.
It would be if it was though.

It is about time you win something, then again, considering how much you'll go on and on and on and on about it, maybe it's for the better it never happens again.

	22-03-2005 20:35									#185
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Yeah. England football fans often make me wish we didn't win anything.

	22-03-2005 20:46									#186
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There's a joke in there somewhere.

	22-03-2005 21:01									#187
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quote: He has said he will quit, but listen I said I loved my wife when I left her this morning. Wait until tomorrow morning. Things change Newcastle chairman Freddy Shepherd insists Alan Shearer will reverse his decision to retire.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/fun...eek/4369575.stm

	23-03-2005 00:07									#188
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH Other great teams like Holland haven't even won it once.

Close twice though. They just choked in the final. Cruyff may have been the best player never to win the WC.

	23-03-2005 00:15									#189
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quote: Campbell is excellent.

Have to agree here. The Arsenal example is excellent. The team looked totally different with him out of the lineup. No where near as good in the back. Though I wonder if Terry will get a few starts opposite Ferdinand in WC 2006 as well.

England is great up the middle with Campbell, Terry, and Ferdinand to choose from in central defense; Gerrard and Lampard in central midfield; and Owen & Rooney as strikers.

It's just the wing players and full backs which are the question (though not Ashley Cole, who is a fixture at left back) .

	23-03-2005 00:22									#190
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Choosing Terry over Campbell seems like a no brainer me.

	23-03-2005 00:26									#191
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I wouldn't say it was a no brainer. I think they are equally talented, and who plays would depend on who's doing better recently.

	23-03-2005 00:37									#192
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Close twice though. They just choked in the final. Cruyff may have been the best player never to win the WC.

Yea, but at least we managed to win the EC once, which is a larger feat

Marco van Basten was our star in that era, and now he's our national trainer; I have faith in him (and John van het Schip)

	23-03-2005 00:46									#193
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quote: Originally posted by Zopperoni Yea, but at least we managed to win the EC once, which is a larger feat

I expect that strange statement from someone who backs a team that won the EC, but not the World Cup .

	23-03-2005 00:56									#194
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I wouldn't say it was a no brainer. I think they are equally talented, and who plays would depend on who's doing better recently.

Campbell's better/more experienced at the moment and that counts at the top level but Terry's catching up. Either of them are great.

Oh, talk about bad losers!

Man United want to make it easier for them to get into the last 8 of the champions league:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foo...utd/4373075.stm



Just win your games!

	23-03-2005 01:10									#195
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Yeah, I saw that. ManU thinks the rest of the football world owes them something. Almost makes me wish that Glazer does complete the takover!

	23-03-2005 01:18									#196
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While I understand their position, that's what makes it fun!! Why else have stages?

	23-03-2005 01:21									#197
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Yeah, I'd rather see Chelsea-Barc and Milan-ManU this round so we wouldn't have gotten some boring matchups. Makes the tourney more interesting.

	23-03-2005 02:26									#198
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Nah, sod that. It's a knockout competition. We shouldn't rig it so only 8 teams have a chance in any year. It's fun when underdogs make it really far in the competition. Last year was great with Monaco and Porto.

	23-03-2005 03:04									#199
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Couldn't agree more.

Besides, where's teh fun if these big teams play each other every other week.

	23-03-2005 03:36									#200
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH Nah, sod that. It's a knockout competition. We shouldn't rig it so only 8 teams have a chance in any year. It's fun when underdogs make it really far in the competition. Last year was great with Monaco and Porto.

Indeed. Give those teams a chance and not try to doom them. No one has a 'right' to the final 8.

quote: Originally posted by alva Besides, where's teh fun if these big teams play each other every other week.

If they wanted that, they could do that European Super-League they've been talking about.

	23-03-2005 03:50									#201
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They do want that, they've trying for years now. The trouble is, who's in and who is not.

The other point being that it is better to be king or even prince in one's own country than a mear peasant in Europe. No one likes a loosing team, even at the highest level.

	23-03-2005 03:53									#202
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quote: Originally posted by alva They do want that, they've trying for years now. The trouble is, who's in and who is not. The other point being that it is better to be king or even prince in one's own country than a mear peasant in Europe. No one likes a loosing team, even at the highest level.

No, I know that... but they shouldn't screw with the Champions League. If they want to just play the best in Europe every week... there is an option open to them.

	23-03-2005 04:05									#203
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Then stop knowing eveything dammit, americans are supposed to be ignorant or least know little about football!!
This isn't natural I tells ya!! and you can't mess with the way things are supposed to be, stop messing with nature!!!!

	23-03-2005 04:10									#204
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Bah, nature sucks, you Christian Scientist, you .

	23-03-2005 04:58									#205
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a european super league would be a terrible idea

	23-03-2005 05:27									#206
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Campbell is still a good player but has past his best days at Spurs. He's slower, probably because he carries more muscle now and runs a lot less at Arsenal.

After the season Terry had he should replace Campbell, but i can guarantee Sven wont do it, just like he kept Seaman in the team long after he shouldve been blooding a younger keeper. He thinks we'll collapse or something without these regulars, if theyre not playing well you drop them, its as simple as that.

	23-03-2005 05:33									#207
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Always go for the players on form, certainly when there's little that seperates them.

	23-03-2005 05:35									#208
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quote: Originally posted by Maquiladora Campbell is still a good player but has past his best days at Spurs. He's slower, probably because he carries more muscle now and runs a lot less at Arsenal.

i know you support them but how can you say that campbell's best football has been played at spurs and keep a straight face?

	23-03-2005 05:39									#209
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Are you saying hes faster more agile player at Arsenal? His footballing brain may have improved slightly, but that hasnt compensated for his lost accelleration and pace. Im saying he was a better defender at Spurs, he has less responsibility at Arsenal, less pressure, and i think that has changed his game for the worse.

	23-03-2005 05:44									#210
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he's got a bit slower, but he's hardly laurent blanc , his footballing brain, his awareness, position etc. has improved a lot, and i think this more than makes up for any loss of pace.

but i suppose neither can claim to be unbiased on this issue