30-03-2005 12:36									#31
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quote: Originally posted by PLATO Wasn't Cochran also a champion of the poor? Didn't he also handle many cases of police abuse?

No. He was quoted just last week on NPR telling poor people he was the best defense attornoy in America and if they wanted him to work for them they'd better come up with a $100k deposit. When asked how they would come up with the money Jonny told them to pray they win the lottery or something.

He was a businessman and didn't have to work for anyone he didn't want to but the idea JC was a champion of the poor just doesn't match reality.

	30-03-2005 12:38									#32
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Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed heavenly host, think about this: If Chewbacca does not make sense, you must let me in.

	30-03-2005 18:46									#33
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No doubt that JC was a very good attorney. Still, I can never forgive him for his abuse of the system in the OJ case. That Judge Ito allowed him to get away with murder is no excuse.

He got OJ off. Indeed. But most fair observers must agree that the result was a travesty.

	30-03-2005 20:00									#34
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You can't forgive him for doing his job?! Defendants deserve lawyers too, Ned. Unless you'd rather they stand there without representation in a guilty before innocent way.

	30-03-2005 20:11									#35
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Aside from his family and his clients, why would anyone care that he is dead?

	30-03-2005 20:18									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui You can't forgive him for doing his job?! Defendants deserve lawyers too, Ned. Unless you'd rather they stand there without representation in a guilty before innocent way.

Did I say otherwise? What I object to was his abuse of the legal process.

	30-03-2005 20:19									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Did I say otherwise? What I object to was his abuse of the legal process.

What abuse was that? Getting a jury to believe him?

	30-03-2005 20:33									#38
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quote: Originally posted by joncha Yeah, well, Chewbacca is a Wooky from the planet Kishic, but Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it. That does not make sense.

Kishic was destroyed.....


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	30-03-2005 20:37									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Cochran was another shite bag.

	30-03-2005 20:38									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui You can't forgive him for doing his job?! Defendants deserve lawyers too, Ned. Unless you'd rather they stand there without representation in a guilty before innocent way.

Yes, even people like OJ deserve a shite bag to defend them.

	30-03-2005 22:43									#41
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Who?

	30-03-2005 22:45									#42
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Shaping up to be a good week for those in a pool.

33 points Johnny. Thanx, least you were good for something.

	30-03-2005 22:46									#43
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Ladies and gentlemen of the supposed jury, Chef's attorney would certainly want you to believe that his client wrote "Stinky Britches" ten years ago. And they make a good case. Hell, I almost felt pity myself!

But ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider: Ladies and gentlemen this [pointing to a picture of Chewbacca] is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk, but Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now, think about that. That does not make sense! Why would a Wookiee—an eight foot tall Wookiee—want to live on Endor with a bunch of two foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense!

But more important, you have to ask yourself, what does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense!

Look at me, I'm a lawyer defending a major record company, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca. Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense. None of this makes sense!

And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberating and conjugating the Emancipation Proclamation... does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense.

If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests.

	30-03-2005 23:33									#44
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if the glove doesn't fit, you must read my obit

I'm indifferent to Cochran dying...

I've heard he did great things for people, attacking the LAPD for brutality and racism and such...

but I don't think I can forgive him for OJ

he was a good lawyer though

	31-03-2005 01:14									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui What abuse was that? Getting a jury to believe him?

I can no longer remember the particulars of what Cochrane pulled on the court, but at the time of the trial I was daily appalled at the liberties he took and was allowed to get away with. Daily.

Marcia Clark wrote a book discussing the trial. I haven't read it, but it might be interesting from the point of view of learning about Cochrane's tricks.

	31-03-2005 01:29									#46
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I for once I agree with Ned. Old Jonny certainly knew how to abuse the legal system and use the race card to get away with murder. Half of the blame also falls on the Judges who didn't keep him on the straight and narrow.

	31-03-2005 01:58									#47
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This guy had people do his homework, He found loops to help his clients, is it his fault that the police and investigators screwed up. His job as a lawyer was to prove reasonable doubt, which if you ask me he has done a great job at. To simply resort to calling him names after he is dead is just wrong.

	31-03-2005 02:24									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski His job as a lawyer was to prove reasonable doubt, which if you ask me he has done a great job at. To simply resort to calling him names after he is dead is just wrong.

Exactly. His job is to provide the best defense possible for his clients. You can't argue that he didn't do that.

If we didn't have lawyers like Cochran, we'd have more policeman like Mark Furman.

	31-03-2005 07:31									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Marcia Clark wrote a book discussing the trial. I haven't read it, but it might be interesting from the point of view of learning about Cochrane's tricks.

Now that's a great source!


I would argue that it would be unethical for JC not to fight as zealously for OJ as he did. As a defense attorney you take as many liberties as the judge and prosecutor will allow, that's just part of the game. A weak judge and prosecutor, as were in this case, are going to be trampled by an excellent defense attorney every time.

Maybe some of his tactics were distasteful, but if it was my head on the line, you bet your ass I would want someone like him defending me to the end.

Don't blame the playa, blame the game.

	31-03-2005 07:32									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Wezil Shaping up to be a good week for those in a pool. 33 points Johnny. Thanx, least you were good for something.

Sorry, I'll save my tears for someone who actually deserves them.

	31-03-2005 08:40									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Ned I can no longer remember the particulars of what Cochrane pulled on the court, but at the time of the trial I was daily appalled at the liberties he took and was allowed to get away with. Daily.

The main one being the "race" thing.

	31-03-2005 08:44									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Exactly. His job is to provide the best defense possible for his clients. You can't argue that he didn't do that.

Does killing witnesses and/or bribing them count? Sure, Cochran didn't do anything illegal, but I'd say what he did was unethical.

quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov If we didn't have lawyers like Cochran, we'd have more policeman like Mark Furman.

Irrelevant. Fuhrman might or might not be racist, but that had nothing to do with this case.

	31-03-2005 08:45									#53
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quote: Originally posted by joncha Yeah, well, Chewbacca is a Wooky from the planet Kishic, but Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it. That does not make sense.

I thought Kashyyk was the Wookie homeworld. Is that different from "Kishic"?

	31-03-2005 08:54									#54
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Why is it so hard to understand that the man had a job to do and he did it. Most to peoples unliking but does that make him a sob? The case involving oj was fu**** to begin with. Just because you dont agree with the outcome doesnt make this man a sob. The man did his job very well in this and in many cases. He is only unethical if he believed in the guilt of oj and went on with the case anyway. From what I heard he didnt agree with the facts and believed oj was not guilty

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all lawyers are sob's. it just goes with the territory.

and how can anyone believe oj was not guilty?

	31-03-2005 08:58									#56
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo quote: Originally posted by joncha Yeah, well, Chewbacca is a Wooky from the planet Kishic, but Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it. That does not make sense. I thought Kashyyk was the Wookie homeworld. Is that different from "Kishic"?

How the hell would I know? Do I look like Kuciwalker to you?

	31-03-2005 09:00									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Does killing witnesses and/or bribing them count? Sure, Cochran didn't do anything illegal, but I'd say what he did was unethical.

I missed where Cochrane killed a witness and bribed a witness. Link please.


Also please point out where he has acted unethically. I don't know, maybe he has, maybe he hasn't, but I haven't seen any links to evidence herein that would indicate malfeasance.

	31-03-2005 09:01									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski Most to peoples unliking but does that make him a sob?

Certainly.

quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski He is only unethical if he believed in the guilt of oj and went on with the case anyway. From what I heard he didnt agree with the facts and believed oj was not guilty

Facts are not something you need to believe in, such as the earth being roughly spherical. You don't have to believe it, but that is the case nevertheless.

	31-03-2005 09:05									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Certainly. Facts are not something you need to believe in, such as the earth being roughly spherical. You don't have to believe it, but that is the case nevertheless.

why is he an sob cause you dont like him?
how was he unethical ? Is it because you dont agree?
Sorry Doesnt make him unethical becasue you dont agree. The man had a job to do whether anybody agrees with the out come.

	31-03-2005 09:08									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski He is only unethical if he believed in the guilt of oj and went on with the case anyway.

No, that is not unethical. Otherwise, you would have very few defense attorneys.

The job of a defense attorney is to zealously represent the interests of his client, even if you think he is guilty. If the client wants to go to trial, then you fight as hard as you can for him, as that is your job. You have to assume that the prosecutor will do his job and the judge his, and that the correct result will be reached. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't.

Personally, I've taken things to trial where I knew my client was guilty (its rare for me to ask, actually) and won them. I've also lost trials where I genuinely thought my client was innocent completely, or partially.

Different people rationalize this differently. I personally view trials as 1) proceeding as my client wishes 2) trial experience for me, a 26 year old attorney and 3) the system I'm currently in is quite awful, so I like to **** with the prosecutor and cops as much as possible, my wife doesn't mind the occassional long hours. And sometimes even if the guy/girl is guilty, there are gross procedural errors on the states' part, such as warrantless entries, illegal stops, and general harrasssment of minorities and lower ses individuals that make me fight for not just my client but for all the cops involved interact with in the future.