31-03-2005 09:16									#61
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aww the old lawyer/client confidential rule. Yes to be unethical he would have to have done everything in his power to get oj found guilty because he knew that he was guilty while representing him, however that didnt happen here

	31-03-2005 09:19									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski aww the old lawyer/client confidential rule. Yes to be unethical he would have to have done everything in his power to get oj found guilty because he knew that he was guilty while representing him, however that didnt happen here

Its better not to know. That way your client can take the stand and you won't be positive that he is perjuring himself (you can't put someone on the stand who you know is going to lie)

	31-03-2005 09:56									#63
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quote: Originally posted by asleepathewheel Also please point out where he has acted unethically. I don't know, maybe he has, maybe he hasn't, but I haven't seen any links to evidence herein that would indicate malfeasance.

Exactly. It seems people were pissed that OJ got off and thus think Cochran MUST have done something unethical without any proof.

	31-03-2005 11:43									#64
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Actually, I think the guy who won the case for OJ was not Cochran, but F. Lee Bailey. He was a guy who cross-examined Fuhrman and got him to say that he did not use the "n" word in the last 10 years, which they later proved to be a boldface lie. That killed the prosecution's case because it was Fuhrman who found the glove behind a house, etc., etc. etc.

	31-03-2005 12:00									#65
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Now F Lee Bailey, I would not object to him being called unethical. !

	31-03-2005 12:01									#66
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actually the ones who won the case for oj was the prosecution

	31-03-2005 12:30									#67
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quote: Originally posted by asleepathewheel The job of a defense attorney is to zealously represent the interests of his client, even if you think he is guilty.

That's what makes him unethical.

	31-03-2005 12:31									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski actually the ones who won the case for oj was the prosecution

Sad but true.

	31-03-2005 12:32									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger That's what makes him unethical.

So all defense attorneys are, by definition, unethical?

It's a good think you're not one, I suppose. I would hate for your strenuous definition of "unethical" to screw a client.

	31-03-2005 12:37									#70
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Don't you know Boris, if the police charge you for a crime, you are automatically guilty and don't deserve any representation .

What else do you expect from a poster who lives in China?

	31-03-2005 12:45									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger That's what makes him unethical.

you can't be serious.

	31-03-2005 12:50									#72
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whos from china?

	31-03-2005 12:55									#73
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UR - Hong Kong actually, IIRC.

	31-03-2005 12:58									#74
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The lawyers were not unethical they were doing their job, period end of story.

	31-03-2005 13:02									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski The lawyers were not unethical they were doing their job, period end of story.

It is unethical to lie to the court, or permit your witnesses to lie.

	31-03-2005 13:05									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Ned It is unethical to lie to the court, or permit your witnesses to lie.

Yep the prosecutors were unethical.

ACK!

	31-03-2005 13:12									#77
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Is it ethical for procueter to coach witnesses
and ned thats is perjury

	31-03-2005 19:31									#78
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quote: Originally posted by asleepathewheel Its better not to know. That way your client can take the stand and you won't be positive that he is perjuring himself (you can't put someone on the stand who you know is going to lie)

I'm in the opposite camp - I want to know EVERYTHING. I hate to be surprised at trial and my client only takes the stand as a last resort anyway.

	31-03-2005 19:54									#79
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Can anybody think of what, if anything, Cochran said or did or permitted his witness or other defense counsel to say that he knew to be a lie?

	31-03-2005 21:14									#80
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If Cochran behaved unethically, then I imagine he would have been reprimanded by the Bar Association or even stripped of his license to practice. I'm not aware of any such sanctions against him.

Look, prosecutor's **** stinks just as much as defense attorney's. The goal of a D.A. is to win the case, and they will do anything they can to get their convictions. We see time and time again cases of innocent people being persecuted by prosecutors. Even after pretty convincing evidence has come out that a convicted person is innocent, they will often fight attempts for retrials. So let's not go thinking that D.A.s are all Sam Waterston.

The balance is that we have defense attorneys like Cochran who will go to the mat for their clients and do anything within the bounds of the law they can to secure they are not convicted. I'm okay with that. As much as it repulsed me that O.J. was acquitted, there wasn't any way the jury could convict him. The jury said as much--they felt he was guilty, but they had to acquit, because the prosecution ****ed up royally. They made a shitty case. And prosecutors shouldn't get away with convicting anyone if their case is handled that badly.

The bottom line is that I would rather see someone like O.J. go free than see innocent people go to prison because their attorneys couldn't represent them to the best of their ability.

	31-03-2005 21:29									#81
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They each have their job to do... and as long as they both do the best job they can, and stay within the limits of the law... I have no complaints. I may not personally have cared for some of Johnny's tactics, but I respect the job he did.

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Well, I agree with your sentiments, Boris, because you limited your remarks to "within the bounds of the law." However, you have to add that it is not within the bounds of the law to misrepresent facts to the court, or to permit your witnesses to do so. The problem, of course with this is that it is very hard to prove that an attorney is misrepresenting facts if the truth lies within the protection of the attorney-client privilege.

Now, I have been practicing law long enough to be aware of fraud on the court because I was aware of the true facts and knew that misrepresentations were being made. My reaction was one of horror. But I must admit, I did nothing more than report the problem to my superiors. I did not inform the court as I was not an attorney before that court. Were I ever to be found in a circumstance where my partner was lying to the court, I would do something because I have an obligation to do so.

But in the circumstances in the OJ case, I am convinced that Johnny Cochran's defense was not honest.

	31-03-2005 23:54									#83
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I am still trying to figure out how this guy was dishonest. I said this once and will repeat it, Just because you dont agree with the outcome doesnt mean the man acted out anything dishonest or unethical.

	01-04-2005 00:08									#84
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Don't you want a defense attorney to be a SOB?

	01-04-2005 00:42									#85
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sleep@the wheel stated this earlier he wouldnt want to know guilt of client, that way if he doesnt know he isnt actin unethical. In my opinion the client is the one acting unethical, if they did the crime and tell the attorney they didnt do it.

	01-04-2005 01:17									#86
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quote: It is unethical to lie to the court, or permit your witnesses to lie.

Is there any proof that he did? What if Cochran sincerely believed in the innocence of O.J.? What if he just didn't know if he was guilty or not guilty? Where is the lie?

	01-04-2005 01:45									#87
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What i find interesting is that this man is being judged simply on the oj trial. For heavens sake he was 63 when he died im sure he had a lot more cases then just oj but none as famous.

	01-04-2005 05:34									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Wezil I'm in the opposite camp - I want to know EVERYTHING. I hate to be surprised at trial and my client only takes the stand as a last resort anyway.

If my clients were actually paying me, I'd probably feel the same way. As I have to take what I'm given, I generally keep it vague and let them tell me what they want. "here's what the cops are saying, what is your story" is one way I do it, if I'm pressed for time.

And I figure, if my client is lying to me about what happened, then he is really just hurting himself, especially if he takes the stand. I actually have been putting more clients o nthe stand lately, but that's what you have to do sometimes.

	01-04-2005 05:36									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski The lawyers were not unethical they were doing their job, period end of story.

Being paid to do something makes it ethical?

	01-04-2005 05:38									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger That's what makes him unethical.