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you crack me up. She never said hi to her mom.


A harvard speach pathologist who listened to the recording and who saw the tape stated that she was in fact saying, "Hi."

I find you complete unwillingness to listen to facts you may find disturbing to your preconceived notions to be ignorance by intention.

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The reason for Terri's collapse was never diagnosed by the admitting physicians. What is clear is that she did not have a heart attack because they checked and ruled that out. She did however have a stiff neck. One of the treating physicians said that the only other time he encounted a person with such symptoms is when he was treating a victim of a potential strangulation.

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so now shes a strangulation victim...wow michael got away with murda!

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More on the bone scan.

Pat Anderson, the attorney who took the doctors' deposition about the bone scan, relayed the following:

The bone scan was taken on March 5, 1991 because Terri was saying, "No" and "Stop" to physical therapy. The doctor discovers that Terry had healing bones from multiple traumas, including two broken ankles, both knees, her right femur, her pelvis, her back and her upper spin. The attorney asked the doctor whether these injuries could have occurred during therapy. He said no.

The bone scan would reveal trauma that occurred no more than 12-18 months prior. That places the trauma at about the time of the event, which occurred 53 weeks earlier, to about 6 months earlier. The doctor stated that the trauma had not occurred recently.

Since Terry had no injuries prior to the event, and the injuries could not have taken place during therapy, that places the time of the injuries squarely on the day of the event.

Terri was either run over by a truck or was severely beaten.

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so now shes a strangulation victim...wow michael got away with murda!


The bone scan and the deposition was "missing" for many years. Its existence was not disclosed to the defense team defending the malpractice case. Its existence was not disclosed to Terri's parents until 2002. When it was brought to the attention of the police in 2002, the DA said he would not investigate because the SOL had run. Judge Greer said the potential involvement of the husband in beating his wife nearly to death was not relevant to the case, and would not allow the attorneys in the case to investigate.

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You are assuming that PVS means no consciousness.


That's exactly what it means. That's like saying that "You assume that it's sunny out means the sun is shining."

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You're so full of **** ned that your eyes are brown.

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I have to admit, I have never seen anyone troll so fervently. Impressive.

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tell us more ned! im deeply concerned with these never before heard, unconfirmed allegations.

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michael skeev is a grim reaper rat bastard.

Whatever your position, if the human race as a whole can't agree that he is taking this beyond "her wishes" to an evil, evil level, then read the following article.

http://www.local6.com/news/4334124/detail.html


Only pure evil incarnate would order the parents and siblings out of a room where their child/sibling lay on the verge of death, and resist religious rights before hand as well.

And I don't want to hear how last rights and communion were given before the tube was removed. If the parents want it again, you DO IT.

If the parents find comfort in patting water over the lips of their dying daughter, (whether it helps or not), then you let them do it...you don't have to understand it, you just allow them their comfort....UNLESS YOU ARE EVIL....as he is.

And, after the deed was done, only pure evil incarnate would order the cremated body buried in a secret location where the parents are barred. (that's breaking news)

How can any decent human use his court given power to order the parents of a dead child to stay away from their child both before and after their death?

You can say you think she should have been allowed to die, that is fine, but I think the human race has a big problem if we ALL can't agree that michael schiavo's actions with regards to the parents and family are anything less than evil and sadistic.

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That was a troll... right?

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it was my opinion. is thoughtful opinion considered trolling unless the majority agrees with it?

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So. What is your view on DP?

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A thoughtful opinion is not mistaken for a troll unless you voice it with extreme malice.

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whatever vee, your opinion does not sway anyone

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It wasn't a thoughtful opinion. It was tripe based on ignorance. The parents are scumbags who've been using their personality-dead daughter to try and punish Schiavo for not giving them a cut of the malpractice money. These total slime balls just sold all the names, addresses, and emails of thei people who sent them letters of support to a marketting agency. You people are such suckers.

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I don't know about that, but the Schindler family has spent the last 7 years waging a scorched earth battle against Michael Schiavo in which they didn't hesitate to use any scurrilous charge, no matter how low. He's had to endure them accusing him of being a liar, out only for money, a wife abuser, and a "murderer." I've no doubt he hates them quite fervently, as they hate him.

I 'm not sure I would let such people that I hated (and who had just needed to be restrained by police) be in the same room as I spent the last moments of my S.O.'s life at his bedside. I can't blame Schiavo for doing it that way.

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Oh Jesus H. Christ:

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Terri Schiavo relatives feud over burial


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March 31, 2005 | Levittown, Pa. -- Terri Schiavo's ashes will be buried in an undisclosed location near Philadelphia so that her immediate family doesn't show up and turn the burial into a media spectacle, a member of the Schiavo family said Thursday.

"If Mike knew they would come in peace, he would have no problem with it," Scott Schiavo, Michael Schiavo's brother, said during an interview at his home.

After an autopsy, Michael Schiavo plans to have his wife's body cremated and her ashes brought to Pennsylvania, where she grew up. Scott Schiavo said the ashes would be buried in a plot left by an aunt and uncle, but the family does not plan on providing the specific location for the burial.

Her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, had fought for years to prevent her feeding tube from being removed, and they opposed cremation and wanted her buried in Florida.

A spiritual adviser to Terri Schiavo's parents, Paul O'Donnell, said they plan to hold a Roman Catholic Mass without her body sometime next week. Asked about perhaps never knowing where his sister might be buried, Bobby Schindler said, "We've already said goodbye. ... He's been doing this kind of stuff for 15 years. What would make him stop now?"

As he monitored TV news reports from the kitchen of his small house in the Philadelphia suburbs, Scott Schiavo received a stream of calls Thursday from people denouncing him and his brother. On his answering machine was a lengthy message from a man from Texas who, shouting obscenities, called the Schiavo family murderers.

"This isn't over by a long shot. We're going to get our name right," he said. "The world is going to know who Mike was, they're going to know Mike wasn't a beast. ... We're going to clear his name, and point it right back at the Schindlers, to let people know just who Bob Schindler is, what type of person he is."

Police made visits Thursday to both Scott Schiavo's home and the home of his brother, William, in Philadelphia, as a result of threats to the families.

At Terri Schiavo's alma mater, Archbishop Wood High School in Warminster, workers changed a sign that read "Terri Schiavo, Class of 1981, We pray that you may live" to "We pray that you rest in peace."


http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2005...rial/print.html

You know what the logical end point of all this is, don't you?

That's right: competing made-for-tv movies. God help us all.

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it's not an undisclosed location. She is being buried in the Schiavo family plot.

edit: I see the article later on states this. My point is the burial site probably could be found with some searching. Unlike Genghis Khan for example. Now that's and undisclosed burial site.

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I guess one good thing is that she "waited" until the supreme court made it's ruling.

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If it's called a vegetable state, doesn't mean she's no longer human.

Just one thing I wonder about, how sure can we be that she didn't experience pain during this? For a conscious person, obviously, being starved to death would be very unpleasant. And since people in a PVS don't recover, how do we know they don't feel pain if starved?


The receptors for pain are still there, but the ability to process that neurochemical stimulus into what we recognize as pain is not.

The autopsy results should be interesting, because they'll once and for all prove (not that some people would believe anything anyway) the degree of damage to her cortex.

I think it's interesting that given the old pre-injury photos, video, etc. of who she was, vs. the post injury stuff, how people really qualify that "life" (i.e. cellular life, with the self awareness of a lobster) as worth holding on to and forcibly sustaining. It would be interesting if someone could have presented the last 15 years of her existence to the living, thinking, functioning version of her, and asked "do you want to be sustained through decades of this?"

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Oh Jesus H. Christ:



http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2005...rial/print.html

You know what the logical end point of all this is, don't you?

That's right: competing made-for-tv movies. God help us all.


Yep. :barf:

I wonder while all the right-to-life handwringers have been wailing and gnashing teeth over Terri Schiavo, how many third world kids died of starvation and vaccinatable and preventable diseases due to insufficient funding for food aid and basic medical aid programs. But she was white and American, so brain function or no, she was worth thousands of little brown and black and yellow kids.

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I think the human race has a big problem if we ALL can't agree that michael schiavo's actions with regards to the parents and family are anything less than evil and sadistic.


Then the human race has a big problem . The parents are utter scum and I'm glad they were made to wait outside after the **** they pulled against Michael.

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the parents aren't scum. They look like nice people. They are in denial.

I am watching this program on the news right now showing her life before the accident. Her father took her to high school dances etc.

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It's rather distressing to see how emotionally invested people on both sides of this debate have become.

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the parents aren't scum. They look like nice people. They are in denial.

I am watching this program on the news right now showing her life before the accident. Her father took her to high school dances etc.


You should take a date your own age to a high school dance. Dating your father is just wrong.

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the parents aren't scum.


Nice people sell the names, addresses, and email addresses of their supporters to marketing agencies?

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she was kind of pudgy in hich school. She lost 50 pounds!!!

supposedly Michael told her if she got fat like that again, he'd divorce her. I'm not sure I can believe that. But it's possible he said that.

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Hmmm, It seems even having a guardian that follows your wishes isn't enough to keep you alive if you wish it: http://www.usatoday.com/printeditio.../edit31.art.htm

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Nice people sell the names, addresses, and email addresses of their supporters to marketing agencies?


I heard this yesterday, but I wasn't under the impression the parents did this.

 
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