29-06-2005 11:10									#31
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Sent this to snoopy:

quote: Greetings, Snoopy of the Euphoriscians! I have been appointed "Vox Inanna Euphorica", which means I am the new ambassador to your great nation. My condolences for your recent losses in the massacre of Invictus. Your brave soldiers have not died in vain. They fought well and their sacrifice will be remembered by future generations as a great example of bravery and devotion! Will this setback end your participation in the war? We certainly hope not... Once we get our foreign affairs sorted out I will get back to you. May Inanna bless your ways, - Micha of the Babylonians

He replied with this:

quote: This was not the last you hear of us. We hope you are able to play your part in the war ... as we have played ours. Our stack was not expected to be victorious on the field, but simply to hold the immortals down, and hopefully take a decent number out - we hoped for more, but such is fate - while BoH and you carry the day against lightly defended cities ...

	29-06-2005 16:28									#32
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Here is the earlier note from snoopy - which is his reaction to Paddy's plan.

quote: Well, excepting the Invictus part, I think this is excellent. And the Invictus part actually makes this better - as they have lost half the strength of their immortals in 1325, they won't be up to speed until 1275 at least (they have only 3 full strength immortals!!), having to in 1300 to regain strength, meaning 1250 is the EARLIEST they could make it there. So I say - go for it, and make them pay for their (quite annoying) luck at Invictus. They may have won the battle, but if they can't build any more immortals, then there is no question as to who will win the war. I also suggest, btw, razing the road on the hill of Antioch (assuming you defeat antioch) after you raze Antioch - and perhaps use that as your reloading point. It's a +50% def bonus anyway, and a few spearmen fort. on there would do grandly to ensure they lose their entire offensive production capability ... -Snoopy369, Commander and Special Liason, EIEIO (External Investigations - Euphoriscian Intelligence Organization)

	29-06-2005 19:21									#33
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So the war is still on.

EIEIO - lol

	30-06-2005 09:48									#34
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Should we tell Euph our suspicions about AM/BoH? It might be a heads up for them, incase BoH desides to pull a fast one on them, around Chiv time?

E_T

	30-06-2005 18:41									#35
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Everyone can see the ROP between AM and BOH. Right?

	30-06-2005 18:51									#36
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Only if you have an Embassy with either of them, then you can see it.

AM got an Embassy with us on 1450BC, at that time, we could see that there was a RoP between AM & BoH. You know everything else.

This also means that you can get an Embassy and the other person doesn't get a screenshot of the other side (like in PTW). It was the first save that I was a member of and when I got the backlog of saves, is when I had noticed that AM had just built the Embassy that very turn. I then noticed that they had the RoP.

E_T

	30-06-2005 19:22									#37
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So. How do we break the news to Eu? Will this anger BOH?

	01-07-2005 05:14									#38
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BOH has given their explanation for the ROP. For all we know Euphorica already knows about it. I'd say just tell it to them matter-of-factly: We can see a ROP between BOH and AM, they told us it was only to occupy AM, we're keeping an eye on the situation.

	01-07-2005 06:12									#39
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Sent to Snoopy and McMeadows, also to Euphorica.

quote: Staying outside of Aquarius' way so the Immortals can't chomp in to our horsemen. They're still vulnerable on the grass, though, so we have to hope DR doesn't have horsemen to spare. We'll see what DR's turn brings. -Kloreep

	01-07-2005 09:18									#40
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quote: May the powerz be with you Paddy the Scot

	10-07-2005 11:31									#41
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DR is in Middle Ages. DR has Monotheism, We are also in MA, with Feudalism. If DR is researching Feudalism, very likely, sending Feudalism to both you AND BoH will make Feud cheaper for DR.

Does Euph ABSOLUTELY NEED Feud now? If they do (which IKloreep & I think that they might), we have no problems sending it to them. Just so that they realize that, with DR's GA, Feud willl be a fast tech, faster with more civs knowing it. Would they mind if we were to withhold Feud from BoH, until needed to research Chiv? If they don't need it, right now, would they mind the same (getting it later instead of now?

Tell them, that it our concern that DR would profit by our alliance cheapening that tech. We don't want that to happen or if need be, to reduce it as much as possible.

E_T

	11-07-2005 21:24									#42
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I copied Snoopy on my email to Paddy et al.

	12-07-2005 05:14									#43
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and I hope you don't mind skro - but I sent this to snoopy and McMeadows...

quote: Guys, have you been following the exchange with Paddy today. We were delayed getting back to him. skrobism had a baptism to attend this weekend, so could not get back to him until today. Also, E_T tabled a brilliant strategy to hurt DR's research effort on feudalism, which got brushed away with their silly emotions. To be honest - most of us on Babylon have had it with BOH and Paddy. They were thick-headed about the AM business, and now this. And from what I have seen, they haven't committed a unit to action. We are left with two 1hp horsemen, and you suffered considerable losses. Sorry - but I hope you can put a positive spin on this - but our patience is wearing thin with BOH's bullshit. Frustrated in Babylon ....Beta

	12-07-2005 16:43									#44
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from snoopy in response to the above:

quote: I don't know... Paddy's touchy, and I just accept that and move on, basically. I know a few others in the PBEMland that this is true with as well ... I think that the strategy is acceptable. Hold onto feudalism, and we'll research monotheism, and you research whatever you want (engineering i guess? ) and then we'll share when we get monotheism. (Or you research mono and we'll research engineering, whatever.) McM? What do you think? -Snoopy369

	12-07-2005 23:08									#45
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If the goal is Chivalry ASAP, we should compare possible speeds of research of Mono, and whoever's fastest, go for it.

I imagine we could be pretty fast with our libs, if someone funded our deficit.

	12-07-2005 23:32									#46
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Beta, I don't mind if you talk with Eu. I have Micha listed as the ambassador in that thread. Should that be updated?

I only copied Snoopy in my emails with Paddy d/t the fact that it concerned all parties.

Eu seems to understand the proposal. Maybe they will understand funding our research.

	13-07-2005 01:27									#47
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Micha - do you have time being Euphorica's ambassador? Would be great if you did - and I would take DR.

	13-07-2005 03:05									#48
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Well, I´m away Thursday to Sunday, and would then be back till end of July. In August, however, I´m definately offline.

I could work as ambassador till then, if the small break this week isn´t too critical... (I have sporadic internet access during that time, though would need orders on what to write).

	13-07-2005 07:48									#49
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I could not wait. I sent the following.

quote: Greetings Snoopy369 The Wise and Musical Bard of Euphorica, Hail McMeadows the Mighty, I am so concerned about the cease fire that I write you without consul of the Lords of Babylon. I see that your people are as startled by the recent turn of events as Babylon is. I speak of this unilateral cease fire called by the decietful Blood Oath Horde. After today's emails they dare to question the commitment of their allies - their patsies! They question our commitment! This was their plan all along. No wonder they were so angered when they did not get instant confirmation of their precious Feudalism. They knew there would be no tomorrow for the TNA. I spit on their idea of honor! Babylon has always felt that it's true ally was to be found in Euphorica. You were the calm and reasoned ones. Our nations need to talk about what will be done ASAP. Again I do not speak with the full authority of Babylon, but I am sure that none will question my comments to you. Fan of the Music! Skrobism

I'm sure that I'll find out that serious discussions were in progress and that I ruined the arrangements.

	13-07-2005 07:51									#50
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Well that was quick...

quote: We will need to discuss further with you and with BoH. I'd like not to take any drastic actions as of yet, although we are certainly ... concerned ... with the post. Thank you for your trust in us, and we would like to communicate the same in you. -Snoopy369, CIO of Euphorica.

	13-07-2005 07:52									#51
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Exactly my thoughts. BOH is backing out now that Euphorica has wasted their strength (and Babylon has spent what little was applied). At least they did not get the total best of us, the sending of Feudalism unaccepted turns out to be very good indeed...

	13-07-2005 07:56									#52
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So they don't have Feudalism? I am confused. I thought E_T said that he actually sent it. ?????

	13-07-2005 07:57									#53
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He sent it, but unaccepted. BOH cannot actually get it from us unless we accept.

Which I assume we agree we won't unless something major changes from the current situation?

	13-07-2005 08:06									#54
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FYI Snoopy is on MSN right now looking for someone. I do not have MSN.

Maybe someone else can get ahold of him.

snoopy369@yahoo.com

I am done for the night.

	13-07-2005 08:07									#55
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I'm not on MSN either.

I'll e-mail him suggesting we hook up on IRC.

	13-07-2005 08:10									#56
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Sent to snoopy.

quote: I don't have MSN, but we could chat via IRC if you want. irc.civirc.com if you have an IRC client, or go to http://www.civchat.com/ if you don't. Room is #babembassy, password feudfeud, so type: /join #babembassy feudfeud -Kloreep

Anyone wants to join in case he does, same instructions go for you.

	13-07-2005 08:10									#57
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I'll try MSN... to see if he is there...

	13-07-2005 08:14									#58
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Just chatted with Snoopy on MSN...he's heading over to IRC....

	13-07-2005 08:15									#59
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He's there.

	13-07-2005 08:36									#60
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I'm there - but I don't see you or Snoopy.