07-04-2005 09:54									#1
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The year is 2750BC. We are about to found our first new town since the original 3 Settlers (Adam, Eve and.....errr.....Brian) spread their wings and claimed their ground, so to speak

Coming close on the heels of founding this town should be the connection of our Iron source. We already have a Barracks, and have nearly produced our second Granary, allowing us to grow at a reasonable pace.

The pace of technical research, with 6 teams in the game, all probably having met each other by now, will be quick. We must therefore use the significant power advantage our UU provides us before he is relegated to mediocrity; effectively once Feudalism becomes commonplace. This gives us but a small window of opportunity.

Things to consider:

1. How shall we go about building our military - eg, IS and Aquarius to be used solely for Settler and Worker production, with Barracks and military units being pumped out of all other cities with little or no other infrastructure?
   
   
2. Who should be our first target - Euphoricans (weaker) or Lost Boys (closer)?
   
   
3. Do we weaken our target then move onto the second target, or take the first target out of the game altogether?
   
   
4. Do we enter into a security alliance with another tribe, and if so, who?
   
   
5. Are we resigned to conducting a war under Despotism, or do we wish to delay the war in order to change to another Government? If the latter, what is the recommended strategy?

Let's start thinking lads. We have a world to conquer!!

	07-04-2005 22:46									#2
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A couple of random thoughts on the matter:

1. Infrastructure can wait. If we don't go after somebody else, we'll find ourselves a target before the infrastructure has a chance to kick in.

2. The more I think about it, the more I want to eliminate the threat of Riders coming south in the future. IF we can forge a fairly strong alliance with Euphorica, I'm in favor of taking on the Lost Boys. Otherwise, we go north, IMO. The more I think about it, the more I really hope we decide to go north.

3. Eliminate them. Leaving a weakened civ on our borders is begging for trouble down the road. Plus, territory is at a premium in this game, and getting rid of a civ completely will let us get a jump on expansion.

4. See above. If we wind up going after Euphorica, we should probably investigate an alliance with the Lost Boys, just to avoid a sneak attack while our immortals are TCOB in the north.

5. War under despotism. First, I don't like the idea of holding off any longer than necessary, for the reason you mentioned (fast tech pace). Second, the no WW will help. Third, we can revolt during the winding down phase of the war, and come out of anarchy with a couple more cities under our belts (hopefully).

	09-04-2005 14:50									#3
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I like your thought processes Solomwi. My gut feeling is to attack Euphorica first. I feel they have some better players than the Lost Boys, and it would be nice to get them out of the way.

In this regard I have started building a Barracks immediately in our new town. With our 2 Granary towns pumping our Settlers and Workers for a while, I think all new towns should build a Barracks first for the time being, then switch to Immortals.

On the Settlers - if we're going to have a Despotic GA, which seems inevitable.....better that we have as many highly developed towns as possible to benefit from the higher production and commerce.

	11-04-2005 06:51									#4
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I vote for attacking north and eliminating them. I see in the last save that they haven't had the decency to move their archer. Grrrr.

	12-04-2005 09:21									#5
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Yeah, I forgot about our GA. I still say war under despotism, but ignore the part about revolting in the closing phase of the war.

	12-04-2005 09:56									#6
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To address Masuro's post, the archer still sitting there tells me one of three things:

1. They, deathly afraid of an Immortal rush, plan on doing everything in their power to deny us that iron, at least until it's too late. If this is the case, the option on our end is clear, and we need to get an archer of our own over there soon, or at the very least a couple more warriors. While some delay might be nice, in order to build a few more warriors for upgrade, in general, the longer Kurt Cobain (no-talent waste of a recording contract monkey that he was ) stays there, the smaller our window gets.

2. They're trying to see how far we can be pushed and generally screw with us. If this is the case, they'll eventually relent, and have wasted potential exploration/barb-killing turns and created tension between our teams for very little gain, if any. These guys are better players than that, leading me back to #1.

3. They made an innocent mistake, or are waiting for our warrior move. This could indicate they don't fully trust us (even after our noble restraint at their undefended city!), and therefore deserve to die, or that they have less than perfect mental faculties, and therefore deserve to die.

Now, they're also better players than to put all their faith in a single archer and our goodwill, which makes me think they're building up what they think will be a surprise if we march north. Since they're industrious, too, I'm going to assume they have, or will have very shortly, the iron at Metallica hooked up, and that can only mean the "surprise" is likely sword-based. It's entirely possible that the surprise is an archer rush to hit Antioch, but I'm leaning toward a sword stack, even if only enough to take out the one town. Either way, I think their aim is to deny us the iron right up until the moment they're about to come into view, then try to take Antioch out before we can get it hooked up. All of a sudden, I'm seeing Euphorica as an imminent threat, and the Lost Boys as only a target of luxury.

I see Moonbars has broached the subject already . Keeping the firm, but genial tone Moonbars established seems to me the best course. Since our spearman from Sweet Desolation can get to Antioch in time at the first sighting of any Euphorican force, I don't think we need to move him any further than 3 of IS, at least until the next spear is 1 turn away or Warrior Rex has left our borders. Fortifying him anywhere between SD and IS would give us the most flexibility.

	12-04-2005 12:02									#7
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Perhaps Kurt Cobain will shoot himself through the head with an arrow? Hmmm.....he'd need pretty long arms to do that

	18-04-2005 11:55									#8
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I think we should rename our first offensive troop "Courtney Love"

How about getting a warrior between Antich and the Northern Enemy, so that we can see anything approaching.

	21-04-2005 07:34									#9
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Paddy has advised me that they (BOH) have attacked and razed a Morporkian town, also killing a Spear and capturing 2 Workers.

The world is going to become violent very quickly, and I believe we should be building our military soon. We must also connect that Iron.

And look at the Euphoricans - they already have 5 towns with probably more on the way, and their military is stronger than ours. We should have razed that town when we had the chance.

	04-05-2005 12:28									#10
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Time to bring this thread back to life.

I have received sufficient response to my "call to arms" to begin a serious military buildup, with the objective of annihilating the pompous and arrogant Euphoricans. This in turn requires us to start scheming and devising a careful military strategy.

My initial suggestions for the buildup are:

1. Build at least one more Barracks - probably in Inner Sanctum
   
2. Continue building Horsemen in at least 3, perhaps 4 towns
   
3. Send the first available Worker to the connect the Iron in Antioch, protected by at least 2 units, one of whom must be a Spear
   
4. Drop back our research rate and start piling cash for Warrior upgrades
   
5. Commence building Immortals

	04-05-2005 21:20									#11
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I have this evening had a rather pointed discussion with McMeadows of Euphorica, who continues to respond without logic and quite emotionally. He refuses to admit that 4 Archers and a Spear cannot possibly be exploring, and wishes to blame us for any possible consequences of our disagreement. I have threatened to break off diplomatic ties, and do not propose to communicate with them again.

I propose building more Horses and attacking them if they remain on our borders.

Meanwhile I have contacted BOH and suggested there may be another conflict in another part of the world, and that it may benefit both of us to establish a covert alliance.

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	05-05-2005 00:53									#12
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I note the hills above our territory are beyond our field of view. Perhaps we should move a unit there as advance notice of any enemy presence moving south..

	05-05-2005 05:45									#13
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Good idea, though we don't currently have any available units to send there. I'll send a Warrior to the next hill norrth of Antioch though, if the Euphoricans don't camp there. The last thing we need is unannounced reinforcements marching over the hill!

Notice the Settler - I was intending to send him due north next turn to settle. This will extend our field of vision. Comments on the proposed placement?

Perhaps we should send our next Spear up there to watch, or build a couple of quick Warriors.

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	05-05-2005 19:53									#14
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Have we considered placing that settler on the hill 9 from out cattle? good sighting radius, good defence, and not that bad a site for a city.

	07-05-2005 23:31									#15
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We need to get that iron hooked up ASAP. That will be our saving grace if anything. At this point I think we're pretty much doomed but if we're able to get a large Immortal force built we might be able to stomp one team and ward off the other by virtue of our victory - but that's somewhat of a long shot.

	08-05-2005 08:01									#16
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I don't agree. I believe we can convince 1889 not to be aggressive towards us. I have also approached Paddy of the BOH to be an ally - albeit, a rather aggressive beast

There are now 2 Workers on the Iron Hill connecting it up, and the Euphorican Archer has moved away. We have 6 Horses, with more on the way. If we can attack and kill their stack of 3 Archers and a Spear, that will set them back substantially, and give us breathing room to build some Immortals.

The main concern however remains, that their military is still stronger than ours.

	08-05-2005 09:31									#17
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Diplomacy above all else. The two weakest will always take down the strongest if he fights alone.

	08-05-2005 13:07									#18
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Agreed, which is why I've engaged both 1889 and BOH in diplomatic talks.

Next up is Babylon.

	09-05-2005 05:13									#19
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Announcement: Euphorica has attacked!

They saw the opportunity of getting onto the hill, so they attacked the lone Horseman there, losing an Archer in the process.

I have countered thus:

Battle Report:

4/4 Horse kills 4/4 Spear, 1/4
4/4 Horse kills 4/4 Archer, 2/4
3/3 Horse kills 4/5 Archer, 3/4
3/3 Horse retreats against 3/3 Archer, 2/3
3/3 Horse kills 2/3 Archer, 3/4


All their units around us (4 Archers and a Spear), are dead for the cost of a Horseman. Yet alarmingly, they remain strong compared to us....probably due to the HP damage of our various Horses.

All city production switched to Military! 3 turns until Iron connected. Slider dropped to 10% to rake in 25gpt for a Warrior upgrade in a few turns

	09-05-2005 05:49									#20
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Good stuff... need to set up some sentries in order to see them coming in advance. Once we get iron we should be alright.

	09-05-2005 06:11									#21
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I have started a new thread for Battle Reports and other gloating behaviour, where I have described our first glorious battle more fully

	09-05-2005 07:31									#22
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I'm having second thoughts about dropping our research in order to raise money for Warrior upgrades. At a cost of 90g per upgrade, it will take us 3 turns at 0% research for one upgrade. Meanwhile, we can use our cheap Warriors as MP and sentries to watch for Euphorican troops.

I don't believe it is wise to ignore research at this point.

	09-05-2005 08:04									#23
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Sounds like a good idea. We will always find uses for cheap Warriors, primarily as sentries. We should be alright now with regards to brute strength in a 1v1 match. The biggest advantage we could have now would be to see our enemies coming so that we can focus on them. Knowing where the enemy is at all times is worth more than a standing army twice its normal size with no visibility.

	09-05-2005 14:46									#24
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I wouldnt bother upgrading the warriors, lets keep the research up so as to continue to have eqiv-level tech with the others and also so that we can continue to be useful to them trading-wise.

I'd like to congratulate General Aqua on his stunning victory over the enemy horde. W must remain vigilant against the republican defeatists in our midst!

	10-05-2005 11:47									#25
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Thank you Lord Moonbars, but I fear the war is just beginning.

Yes, we must remain vigilant. Yet we are blessed with some extraordinary talents amongst our ranks, and it is the combination of our differing opinions that result in the strength and power that is the Desolation Row!

	10-05-2005 11:56									#26
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I would like you all to recognise and remember the wisdom and insight displayed by our Minister of Economics, the Right Reverend Solomwi, several hundred years ago in this very palce

quote: Originally posted by Solomwi Now, they're also better players than to put all their faith in a single archer and our goodwill, which makes me think they're building up what they think will be a surprise if we march north. Since they're industrious, too, I'm going to assume they have, or will have very shortly, the iron at Metallica hooked up, and that can only mean the "surprise" is likely sword-based. It's entirely possible that the surprise is an archer rush to hit Antioch, but I'm leaning toward a sword stack, even if only enough to take out the one town. Either way, I think their aim is to deny us the iron right up until the moment they're about to come into view, then try to take Antioch out before we can get it hooked up. All of a sudden, I'm seeing Euphorica as an imminent threat, and the Lost Boys as only a target of luxury.

	11-05-2005 05:58									#27
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Iron connected. Immortals by 1990BC.

Should we start building Catapults to accompany them?

Are we committed to beginning our GA?

	11-05-2005 05:59									#28
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No Cats yet... we aren't sure about who's coming. In case we are double-teamed we need raw firepower. All factories to B-rax or Immortals! Well, besides econ builds.

	11-05-2005 06:23									#29
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Right.....so Immortals, Barracks and Economy (buildings, Settlers and Workers).

Ah, the great conundrum of Civ3 - ordering your priorities!

	11-05-2005 07:31									#30
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Our first prioirity is getting sentries set up and a powerful enough army to be 100% assured of deterring 1.5 teams. Even if we aren't attacked soon we can always bring the fight to them with Immortals.