11-04-2005 19:03									#1
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http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/li...2005/index.html

quote: The Tax Foundation, a policy research group, estimated the average taxpayer's total state and local tax burden for 2005 in each of the 50 states and the District of Columbia. That burden reflects what residents pay in state and local income taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, luxury taxes and fuel taxes, among others. States below are ranked from least to most tax friendly.

Interesting stuff.

Top 5 tax heavy states (DC is 12.20%, btw):

Maine 13.00%
New York 12.00%
Hawaii 11.50%
Rhode Island 11.40%
Wisconsin 11.40%

Bottom 5 tax heavy states:

Alaska 6.40%
New Hampshire 7.40%
Delaware 8.00%
Tennessee 8.30%
Alabama 8.70%

Though the surprise is Massachusetts, with a state and local tax burden of 9.80% is tied for 30th in highest tax burden! You'll pay more state and local taxes in North Carolina, Mississippi, or Wyoming than you will in Massachusetts!

	11-04-2005 19:20									#2
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Wow, California is right near the average (0.2% higher but still very near) for taxes. I thought we'd be much higher then that. We're only the 20th highest in taxes.

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washington doesnt have income tax, britches

	11-04-2005 19:31									#4
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It's funny how people get all up in arms about income tax, but ignore all the rest.

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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Wow, California is right near the average (0.2% higher but still very near) for taxes. I thought we'd be much higher then that. We're only the 20th highest in taxes.

I think you may be balanced out by lower property taxes and stuff out in the country areas. I'm sure an area like San Diego has much higher property and sales taxes.

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sales tax in california is the same across the board iirc.

	11-04-2005 19:41									#7
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hmm thought South Dakota was lower then merely 45th.

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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 washington doesnt have income tax, britches

That's ok because you guys have crap roads and still haven't figured out how to build side walks.

	11-04-2005 19:45									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I think you may be balanced out by lower property taxes and stuff out in the country areas. I'm sure an area like San Diego has much higher property and sales taxes.

Property taxes are pretty low as a percentage of value but because the values are so high you get screwed, screwed, screwed by the tax man. I currently have a partial payment of $2897.26 due on the 15th of this month. with another payment do in June.

Our local sales tax is 0.5% which isn't to bad since the city charges something like a 12% hotel fee tax. The hotel tax hits the tourists and the out of town convention goers so we locals like it but the tourists naturally don't. Still there are enough hotels in the city where prices are still lower then most places even with the tax.

	11-04-2005 19:46									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin That's ok because you guys have crap roads and still haven't figured out how to build side walks.

but we like it that way

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Massachusetts has been cutting taxes for a long time. The DC gov't says it's going to start cutting taxes too. It's important to the city to cut taxes, given that its nearest neighbors have ~ 2 to 2.5 percentage points lower taxes.

	11-04-2005 19:51									#12
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Florida doesn't have an income tax either. Tourists pay for our government.

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Which is why the Florida government doesn't care about you .

	11-04-2005 20:41									#14
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The reason its called Taxachusetts is not because of the cost of the taxes, but the fact that there seems to be a tax on everything.

But its still nice to know

We were the forerunners of the policy in the 1700s of "No Taxation without Representation". Now, we have representation...and boy, do we have taxation.

	11-04-2005 21:29									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I think you may be balanced out by lower property taxes and stuff out in the country areas. I'm sure an area like San Diego has much higher property and sales taxes.

Property taxes are the often overlooked tax break. After you buy property, the assessment is only permitted to increase a maximum of 3% per year. This keeps property tax rates artifically low statewide.

Although there's a statewide sales tax, cities may impose a local increase. IIRC Los Angeles's is 1.5% higher than the statewide rate. I'm pretty sure San Diego's is not as high.

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Off the record Alaska needs to raise the state income tax, create a state-wide sales tax, and steal the PFD from the people. God forbid they should do this and we see our educational system improve ten-fold.

	11-04-2005 21:39									#17
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I miss Delaware.

Their schools sucked but not as bad as Georgia's and they didn't have the fundie mentality to boot.

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quote: Originally posted by Zkribbler Property taxes are the often overlooked tax break. After you buy property, the assessment is only permitted to increase a maximum of 3% per year. This keeps property tax rates artifically low statewide. Although there's a statewide sales tax, cities may impose a local increase. IIRC Los Angeles's is 1.5% higher than the statewide rate. I'm pretty sure San Diego's is not as high.

Your right it is not as high but you forgot to mention that any time a property changes ownership the valuation immediately changes to the most recent sale price. That means the house I bought just under a year ago had to pay $2000 per year last year but this year will cost almost $6000.

	11-04-2005 22:18									#19
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What I find disturbing is that people whine and ***** about thier income taxes, but don't whine about sales taxes and other flat taxes which often affect the people with less money more. Ignorance or right-wing brainwashing?

Oh, here in Minnesota a tax increase is desperately needed to pay for healthcare, K-12 education, and higher education (students enrolled in public colleges and universities are getting VERY pissed off about tuition increases around here), but our Republican governor has threatened to veto any tax increase, it led to gridlock galore last year.

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#36 Oregon 9.60%

...No sales tax either.



Politicians in Salem always think up new taxes and Oregon voters always shoot em down.

The kids can't read and write but wtf...

	11-04-2005 22:26									#21
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Sales tax is included in that

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quote: Originally posted by Lancer The kids can't read and write but wtf...

Thats the thing, people want thier government services, but people don't want to pay for them. The result? Deficit spending because raising taxes and cutting services are both are political suicide.

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara It's funny how people get all up in arms about income tax, but ignore all the rest.

Not as funny as the propensity to comment without fully reading the source material:

quote: That burden reflects what residents pay in state and local income taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, luxury taxes and fuel taxes, among others. States below are ranked from least to most tax friendly.

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quote: Originally posted by Odin What I find disturbing is that people whine and ***** about thier income taxes, but don't whine about sales taxes and other flat taxes which often affect the people with less money more. Ignorance or right-wing brainwashing?

What is it about you Commies and the inability to read the source material???? You're as bad as fundies reading an evolution primer!

quote: That burden reflects what residents pay in state and local income taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, luxury taxes and fuel taxes, among others. States below are ranked from least to most tax friendly.

Sheesh!

	12-04-2005 00:03									#25
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I don't think these numbers don't include sales taxes.

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quote: Originally posted by Odin Thats the thing, people want thier government services, but people don't want to pay for them. The result? Deficit spending because raising taxes and cutting services are both are political suicide.

According to you guys, the Repubs have been cutting services since Reagan got elected.

If actual services have been cut as claimed, and then the Repubs not only keep the Presidency but are able to increase their base and power (both nationwide and on a state level), how do you reconcile the quoted belief with actual historical fact?


Note: If you can, that's what makes Communism a religion: The ability to ignore the obvious in favor of the bullshit.

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quote: Originally posted by Az I don't think these numbers don't include sales taxes.

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quote: Not as funny as the propensity to comment without fully reading the source material:

Um... JohnT... I think you are going to get seriously PWNED soon. Che and Odin were USING the opening post which includes sales tax and other taxes to make their point that everyone *****es about "Taxachusetts" based solely on income taxes, but when you take all of the taxes, it isn't even close to the top.

You've missed their point entirely.

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Which is why the Florida government doesn't care about you .

Correct.

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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Not as funny as the propensity to comment without fully reading the source material:

I read that. No one here was *****ing about taxes. I was talking in general terms.