19-04-2005 23:43									#61
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Quite right, but to have more fun I don't build seabases, actually, because of all my terraform up, I'm sometimes out of coastal bases for a while - I know, I'm a nutcase

	20-04-2005 00:22									#62
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quote: Originally posted by BlackCat Maybe I'm just parnoid, but I have stopped building BMT. It seems like native life goes crazy after that SP. Don't know why, but it also seems that they prefer to pop in tiles with bunkers so you only can kill one in an attack. Am I really paranoid (that is more than average here ) ?

I never build bunkers . actually I should say I rarely build them

	20-04-2005 00:36									#63
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quote: Originally posted by BlackCat Quite right, but to have more fun I don't build seabases, actually, because of all my terraform up, I'm sometimes out of coastal bases for a while - I know, I'm a nutcase

No not a nutcase . . . just someone enjoying different aspects of the game by placing limitations on themselves

	20-04-2005 01:10									#64
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Many players put limitations on themselves...I for one won't use crawlers or ICSing...

	20-04-2005 01:15									#65
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I'm new and only playing my second game, but I use needlejets to jump all over the ai's pesky artillary whenever it's left unguarded by stronger units on the way to lay seige to my cities.

I also use them to target probes and other stray units that wander randomly into my territory.

I'm only playing on the 3rd level of difficulty up from easiest (I forgot what it's called) so I guess the ai isn't making it's most brilliant decisions yet.

But the needlejets are good for general houscleaning right now.

	20-04-2005 01:15									#66
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I use crawlers, but not excessively. I try to use units in a more realistic fashion (as realalistic as a game about colonizing another planet can be). Mainly this involves me not using exploits. Like putting armour on probes and crawlers.

	20-04-2005 01:24									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber No not a nutcase . . . just someone enjoying different aspects of the game by placing limitations on themselves

I know and that is the beauty of this game - there is no "right" way to play it Got bored with current strategy ? well, change faction, ecology, size, sea/land %, set private limits, fiddle with SE, planet or disrupt ecology - I could go on for a while and probably forget some - not to mention those not yet discovered. As a newbee (at this site, not the game - 4 years and still playing) I haven't even never tried to play against a human player witch certainly will give a whole new dimension on both strategic and tactical level. Some day I must take this last step into the realm of SMAC/X even though the thought about getting my ass kicked seriosly for some time doesn't please me .

	20-04-2005 05:14									#68
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quote: Originally posted by BlackCat I know and that is the beauty of this game - there is no "right" way to play it Got bored with current strategy ? well, change faction, ecology, size, sea/land %, set private limits, fiddle with SE, planet or disrupt ecology - I could go on for a while and probably forget some - not to mention those not yet discovered. As a newbee (at this site, not the game - 4 years and still playing) I haven't even never tried to play against a human player witch certainly will give a whole new dimension on both strategic and tactical level. Some day I must take this last step into the realm of SMAC/X even though the thought about getting my ass kicked seriosly for some time doesn't please me .

You may kick some butt yourself but you will know there's a challenge out there. I've handed the AI its ass in every conceivable fashion but in MP there are folks out there that are just scary good.

Its real fun to have people USE the advanced tactics increative or advantageous ways. I still remember one early PBEM when I learned how stupid it was to create a big stack of units in the open. I hade a drop colony pod with 3 drop ground units and 2 good interceptors as cover. When I open the next turn, everything was gone through the use of the self-destruct tactic.

	26-04-2005 11:58									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I use crawlers, but not excessively. I try to use units in a more realistic fashion (as realalistic as a game about colonizing another planet can be). Mainly this involves me not using exploits. Like putting armour on probes and crawlers.

Not using exploits

	26-04-2005 12:01									#70
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Why do you consider armoring crawlers an exploit? I understand how making a small covert ops team capable of destroying a military unit is somewhat odd, but armoring and arming a supply convoy seems entirely normal.

	27-04-2005 09:34									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Chaos Theory Why do you consider armoring crawlers an exploit?

It's just... strange. I have never seen any armored transports.

	27-04-2005 12:46									#72
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I always end up using crawlers, usually with Plasma Steel Armor just in case.
But then I don't excessivly mine anything, I just kill off anyone who disagrees with me - which is everyone else.

	27-04-2005 13:09									#73
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Armored crawlers and probes are working as designed, and in any event are not game breakers. Crawler upgrade seems to certainly be an exploit, as does self-destructing units in order to blow away huge numbers of enemy units. Oh, and add the stockpile energy bug to that.

	27-04-2005 13:13									#74
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why is upgrading crawlers an exploit?

I don't see it as one...even though it's a pain in the ass to do it.

	27-04-2005 13:28									#75
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quote: I have never seen any armored transports.

So go to nearest military base.
I don't recall how US army calls it's armored transports, but probably you will sight some.

They've been used almost for as long as tanks.

There's a military version of an armored transports.

Besides in my country banks use armored transports to transport cash..

	27-04-2005 13:48									#76
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isn't the self-destruct a designe feature though? I've never used it. Are they better than convenitional missiles?

I think of stuff like the Enterprise in Star Trek self destructing. It makes a big bang.

	27-04-2005 13:59									#77
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quote: Originally posted by binTravkin So go to nearest military base. I don't recall how US army calls it's armored transports, but probably you will sight some.

You are talking about APC's - they are expected to go into combat, thus they are armoured. I was talking about things like lorries - why would they have armour?

	27-04-2005 14:00									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident isn't the self-destruct a designe feature though? I've never used it. Are they better than convenitional missiles?

Depends on the reactor, I reckon. Though I have never actually figured out the damages.

	27-04-2005 15:06									#79
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quote: I was talking about things like lorries - why would they have armour?

In wartime - yes.

Remember that we're not on Chiron..

And after all - why not implement thing which is technically possible.
On Earth if someone decided to armor his milk cistern, people would just say he's wasting resources, not exploiting anything.

ON the other side - when you'll take it to scrapping facility ir'll cost WAY more because all that metal and other materials will clearly be valuable.

	27-04-2005 19:59									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Frankychan why is upgrading crawlers an exploit? I don't see it as one...even though it's a pain in the ass to do it.

I think Sikander was referring to using upgraded crawlers to rush SPs. Many consider that an exploit since it seems artificial and the AI never does it.

	27-04-2005 20:18									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Depends on the reactor, I reckon. Though I have never actually figured out the damages.

Damage is equal to weapon strength divided by 2 multiplied by your reactor value

So a weapon 10 unit with a fusion reactor kills ALL adjacent fission units (armor is irrelevant) unless in a base ( I'm not certain if bunkers act as bases for this purpose).

It can be a super effective tactic against crawler fields. Plink a couple to get into the middle and then kaboom.

Its also the reason that I say that there is no combination of units that is survivable in the open against an opponent with tech parity and the same number of minerals to spend attacking your stack. Once you get to weapon 10 values and above, you are talking reducing the strength of EVERY unit in the stack by half with a single self destruct ( assuming same reactor values) and 2 self destructs kills the entire stack

	28-04-2005 00:21									#82
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Ah, that's how the self destruct works I've never used it cause I'd rather have that unit do a suicide charge thing.

	28-04-2005 01:12									#83
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In order to balance self destruct, I think it should cause extra drones...I mean, come on people, like people enjoy being creameted by a nuclear bomb...

	28-04-2005 03:05									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber Damage is equal to weapon strength divided by 2 multiplied by your reactor value So a weapon 10 unit with a fusion reactor kills ALL adjacent fission units (armor is irrelevant) unless in a base ( I'm not certain if bunkers act as bases for this purpose). It can be a super effective tactic against crawler fields. Plink a couple to get into the middle and then kaboom. Its also the reason that I say that there is no combination of units that is survivable in the open against an opponent with tech parity and the same number of minerals to spend attacking your stack. Once you get to weapon 10 values and above, you are talking reducing the strength of EVERY unit in the stack by half with a single self destruct ( assuming same reactor values) and 2 self destructs kills the entire stack

IIRC self destruct will in fact take out bunkered units as well.

	28-04-2005 05:33									#85
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Is the range of self-destruct damage limited to adjacent tiles? Is diagonal considered adjacent? Does anything (e.g a larger reactor) increase the range?

	28-04-2005 06:13									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Zoetrope Is the range of self-destruct damage limited to adjacent tiles? Is diagonal considered adjacent? Does anything (e.g a larger reactor) increase the range?

Yes it is limited to adjacent tiles and yes diagonal is considered adjacent. Nothing makes the range bigger ( I know you are thinking of Planet Busters with that idea)

	28-04-2005 07:47									#87
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hmm, I think my next game I'll try something ineteresting. I'll conduct my wars with self destrucing units.

I also want a huge planetbuster war. i'll save that to the end.

	28-04-2005 09:08									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident hmm, I think my next game I'll try something ineteresting. I'll conduct my wars with self destrucing units.

Fine idea against strong stacks but very wasteful against scattered unit and useless against any unit in a base

	28-04-2005 23:48									#89
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I couldn't figure out how to self destruct? I looked on the menus but didn't see it there. What's the hotkey for it?

Does the reactor have to be fusion or higher? (mine was still fission).

Anyways, it was still the same game I was playing with the 2 morgan factions (I was talking about earlier), but the power went out. I hope my autosaves was on. I went a long time without saving. It seems I lose power alot at my house. At least twice a year. oh well.

that game was going difficult. As one of the morgan factions was seriously out-researching me and getting all the SP's. I figure I should be able to still get ascent to transcendence because I can literally buy it with my free market economy. I'm bringing in good energy. But it could be a close game. It's funny how well they do with one line added in (expand). Though they may have started in the monsoon jungle- I keep forgetting to check.

	29-04-2005 01:38									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I couldn't figure out how to self destruct? I looked on the menus but didn't see it there. What's the hotkey for it?

Disband the unit (hotkey is Shift + d). You'll be presented with several options, one of which is "Activate self-destruct overload sequence!"