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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:36
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Lancuer, well of course I get it.  .. I've always been getting it!
I don't view things as most do, with right and wrong, good or bad, that we can control everything, left or right. I just thing we should go at things one at a time, decide if it's a good idea or not, and then go for it and that's it. No predetermined opinions from the red book or the right wing. I don't believe in parties, or the whole idea of a party. One thing at a time, let's figure it if it's good and then do it, and if it turns out to be a bad idea, then let's write it down and analyze it so we won't do it again, and accept the fact that the results might have been affected by factors we are not in control, so the next day it could have worked out not changing a thing.
Meaning, that none of the countries were wrong per se, everyone had a good point, things did however happen, is it good or bad is yet undetermined, not enough data yet, it good turn out good or bad still. It's like a fight. You plan to do all this and that, but when the bell rings and you get hit in the face the first time, it all flies out of the window. What we should avoid is redundancy, which we are doing all the time. War has millions of factors in them that we can't get, ever.
But what I've said before I still say. Terrorists have as much power as we let them to have. They can kill us and bomb us, but they will never get real power (unless with a nuke). The only power is what we give them. The biggest reward we can give to terrorists is to weaken the relations inside the west. We are the only ones capable of doing it. And yes, we all need to participate, one country can't weaken them alone. So, I'd say let's analyze, have different opinions, throw down a little and get dirty, but at the end of the day we need to be on the same page or the terrorists wins and we lose. And we will be on the same page if we want to, or then we just have to pull an all nighter. Metophorically speaking of course.
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Boris Godunov
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Portland, OR
Aug 2001
time: 00:36
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Originally posted by Patroklos
Is that it, what a disappointment B  :
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Why would I waste even a token effort on you? 
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What exactly, have they adapted to? If you mean switching from killing Americans to Iraqis, then yes they are regular camelians(sp?). |
Talk to some of our soldiers who've been in Iraq. Try reading up on things.
http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/...24e8896b33d.pdf
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Pop Quiz: what was the event that caused all their withdrawls? Sure as hell wasn't WMDs. Thats like blaming the war in the first place for them dropping out. |
Surely you're not dumb enough to try that tired old line that the Madrid bombing scared all of our allies out of Iraq? You couldn't be so stupid.
I'll put the 2 and 2 together for you: Governments are withdrawing forces because they face increasing public outcry to their forces remaining there. Why are their people upset? Because they now know the WMD issue was bogus and the war was fault on false pretexts. Nobody wants their kids getting killed over a lie.
Check out the popular support for the war in Poland before the invasion and now, as they've announced they're out.
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And again, the reason why they took the casualties in the first place was France and Germany's ACTIVE interferance in the operation before it began. |
Wait, so Germany and France caused casualties? They, who didn't fight, caused casualties for countries that willfully invaded another country? Wow, you're brilliant in your mendacity.
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I know you haven't been their so I will give you a break, but besides Iraq itself the rest of the ME goes on exactly as before. |
Try not to be so obtuse. Invading Iraq is the first step of the neocon plan. It isn't a big secret--Wolfowitz, a primary architect of the admin's ME policy, wasxed poetically before they were even in power about the value of invading Iraq and using it as a staging ground for further ME actions. It's all info that's readily available. Hell, Wolfowitz detailed the ideas in letters to the Clinton Admin back in 1997-98.
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Yeah, they are breaking thier militaries back over there. Add up Fance and Germany's troops and see if you can break 4 digits. Even there they are slackers. |
 Attack them even when they are helping. How nice of you. Look, Germany doesn't have troops just in Afghanistan. They're the main policer in Bosnia, as well. They have over 10,000 troops engaged in international operations. Now compare that to their total military size (and consider how much of that they can reasonably have engaged), and you'll see it's significant.
Another "100,000" troops is ludicrous. Maybe another 10-20,000 from other countries.
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Exactly why Sudan will remain a genocidal playground, Boris and company!  |
Tell me, what's the Bush admin. doing about Sudan right now? I'd love to hear.
You'd know nothing if it wasn't a Limbaugh talking point, I suspect.
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BlackCat
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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Surely you're not dumb enough to try that tired old line that the Madrid bombing scared all of our allies out of Iraq? You couldn't be so stupid.
I'll put the 2 and 2 together for you: Governments are withdrawing forces because they face increasing public outcry to their forces remaining there. Why are their people upset? Because they now know the WMD issue was bogus and the war was fault on false pretexts. Nobody wants their kids getting killed over a lie.
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I don't think that the Madrid bomb scared the politicians to change their mind, but it probably moved some voters in Spain to those that didn't want to be involved in the war.
Actually, what you call an "increasing public outcry" is decreasing - of course I can only speak on danish behalf - you hardly ever heard the old song about "lies about WMD" any more except from the usual fanatics. That story that the war was based upon lies is a dead duck.
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Geronimo
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st cloud USA
Jan 1970
time: 05:36
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Originally posted by GePap
We learned that war fighting capaility does not give you nation building capability.
We learned that all the experts were right about how high the cost of nation building is. |
quite true.
It seems almost ironic that we learn this from the actions of the president who railed so hard against 'nation building' in his first campaign.
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24-04-2005 02:55
Funny how I addressed all your silly points, but you just ignored everything, but now claim I'm resorting to some mechanism? 
That situation is quite different from that of an unfree press at least in terms of how you can address the problem if not it's results.
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