24-04-2005 10:02									#121
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quote: I already handed Patroklos his ass, KH.

Liberal defence auto responce # 54 flight Bravo.

	24-04-2005 10:02									#122
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I don't have to tell myself that, numbnuts. Go find the archived threads.

All I had to do was use some common sense and some general knowledge of what producing CNB weapons entails. That, coupled with an impression of the level of efficacy of trade barriers wrt necessary technology and Iraq's level of technological self-sufficiency was enough to convince me that Bush, the CIA, Colin Powell and anybody else who claimed otherwise was full of ****.

	24-04-2005 10:04									#123
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos Keep telling yourself that. And those who were forcasting the destruction of the world by invading Iraq were much farther from the truth from the Right Wing fairy tale (which was just that Right Wing<--------TRUTH--------------------------->Left Wing This is just like Vietnam right? Losers.

I also recall saying that Iraq was going to be more akin to Lebanon for the Israelis than it was going to be Viet Nam

Put away the pornographic pictures of Ann Coulter and bring your A game. This is pathetic.

	24-04-2005 10:04									#124
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos Liberal defence auto responce # 54 flight Bravo.

Engage right-wing cop-out #362:

DANGER! DANGER! Liberal has outmaneuvered us on all fronts! Fall back to lame knee-jerk comments! Fall back!

	24-04-2005 10:06									#125
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quote: efficacy of trade barriers wrt necessary technology

I suppoce those trade barriers are why he rebuilt several armored divisions.

Nice try. Your personal views on the war are not in question. I do not presume to remember what you said back then. The comment was in regards to opposition in general.

	24-04-2005 10:06									#126
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Put away the pornographic pictures of Ann Coulter and bring your A game. This is pathetic.

You must not know him very well. Alas, this is his A game.

	24-04-2005 10:07									#127
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What I've learned from this thread: Patroklos and Lancer will alter history to their liking whenever the opportunity arises.

	24-04-2005 10:07									#128
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quote: Engage right-wing cop-out #362:

Such unoriginality, tisk tisk....

	24-04-2005 10:07									#129
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos I suppoce those trade barriers are why he rebuilt several armored divisions.

Care to ask some of our resident military experts about the efficacy of said armored divisions?

Hint: It was 30-year-old technology that was smashed away in a heartbeat.

	24-04-2005 10:08									#130
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos Such unoriginality, tisk tisk....

I was only aspiring to the level of that to which I was responding.

	24-04-2005 10:09									#131
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quote: Put away the pornographic pictures of Ann Coulter and bring your A game. This is pathetic.

References to pornogaphy are ironic, as you and Boris at lub to your circle jerk.

	24-04-2005 10:10									#132
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos I suppoce those trade barriers are why he rebuilt several armored divisions.

Man, who writes your material?

Interestingly enough, even Iraq would be able to make spare parts for its old Soviet model tanks. Who knows, maybe the USSR even sold to Iraq the license to build spare parts.

quote: Nice try. Your personal views on the war are not in question. I do not presume to remember what you said back then. The comment was in regards to opposition in general.

Why should any state have backed a nation-building war of choice?

People like you (I use the term losely) have never come up with an answer to that simple question.

	24-04-2005 10:10									#133
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Or in Boris's case, lack of lub.

quote: It was 30-year-old technology that was smashed away in a heartbeat.

It was 30 year old tech that wasn't there after 91

	24-04-2005 10:11									#134
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KrazyHorse, you were only right in those old threads because you were completely wrong. Had you been right in a correct manner you would have been wrong like the rest of us. We were right to be wrong you see, and the evidence supports this. Also, all the right people were also wrong, so on our side we have some really interesting and knowledgeable people.

Next time, try to be more up on the facts so you can be right to be wrong like the rest of us...like the BEST of us.

Now, let us hear no more of this.

Please.

	24-04-2005 10:11									#135
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos I suppoce those trade barriers are why he rebuilt several armored divisions.

Rebuilt, my ass. Putting a new engine into a T-72 is slightly diferent than running a breeder reactor or producing effective weaponised chemical and biological agents in large enough quantities to cause any significant damage.

quote: Nice try. Your personal views on the war are not in question. I do not presume to remember what you said back then. The comment was in regards to opposition in general.

So the comment was in regards to some shadowy opposition whose views you didn't even bother to understand the first time around?

Laughable.

These very boards were full of people saying that the existence of significant CNB capability was doubtful to say the least.

I believe this fallacy is called the strawman argument.

	24-04-2005 10:12									#136
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quote: Interestingly enough, even Iraq would be able to make spare parts for its old Soviet model tanks. Who knows, maybe the USSR even sold to Iraq the license to build spare parts.

Care to provide a location for said tank factory?

Thought not.

	24-04-2005 10:14									#137
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quote: These very boards were full of people saying that the existence of significant CNB capability was doubtful to say the least.

Actually these boreds were full of people saying America would be brought to its knees by this conflice, losing 10s of thousands. Again, whose version is closer to reality?

	24-04-2005 10:15									#138
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos References to pornogaphy are ironic, as you and Boris at lub to your circle jerk.

This sentence doesn't even parse.

If you're going to try to insult me, do it in such a way that I can at least understand what you're saying.

	24-04-2005 10:15									#139
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There were about 2 posters in this forum who backed the Iraq war solely for humanitarian reasons, Laz, and smone who used ot have a Kurdish flag. Everyone else went on about violating UN resolutions, but mainly about the grave threat of Iraq's WMD's (anyone remember those UAV's of doom?) and them giving them to AQ.

Arguing against the war were not only pacifists and the "War for OIl" crowd, but people who never believed the notion Iraq was a threat, because they didn't have any WMD"s, or because even if they had they were not a danger.

The only pro-war people who ever made a valid case were Laz and the other guy.

	24-04-2005 10:16									#140
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos Care to provide a location for said tank factory? Thought not.

Ahem, numnuts:

spare parts

Who said building whole tanks?

Are you stupid enough to believe the US destroyed all of Iraq's AFV's in the first gulf war?

	24-04-2005 10:16									#141
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I agree. Antebellum, Laz was the only pro-war poster I can remember making a strong case for war based on facts I did not dispute.

	24-04-2005 10:17									#142
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos It was 30 year old tech that wasn't there after 91

And your point would be... what? Do you even bother to think about what you post?

Let's see... a country that has the world's 4th largest military is reduced to using decades-old tanks that can't hold a candle to modern technology and is essentially neutered military... and this is a problem for whom?

Before 1991, Iraq had a potent military force.

Post 1991, it was little more than slag, up until its complete annihilation in 2002.

Hmmm, looks like sanctions worked.

	24-04-2005 10:17									#143
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quote: There were about 2 posters in this forum who backed the Iraq war solely for humanitarian reasons, Laz, and smone who used ot have a Kurdish flag. Everyone else went on about violating UN resolutions, but mainly about the grave threat of Iraq's WMD's (anyone remember those UAV's of doom?) and them giving them to AQ. Arguing against the war were not only pacifists and the "War for OIl" crowd, but people who never believed the notion Iraq was a threat, because they didn't have any WMD"s, or because even if they had they were not a danger. The only pro-war people who ever made a valid case were Laz and the other guy.

Negative

Most people used the WMD as there MAIN arguement for it because apparently that is all that moves you comotose libs. There are more that a few others that by themselves warrent war, least among them torture and mass murder. Again, not lib priorities.

	24-04-2005 10:18									#144
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos Actually these boreds were full of people saying America would be brought to its knees by this conflice, losing 10s of thousands. Again, whose version is closer to reality?

Like I said, altering history to make your point.

You can't stand the fact that you were horribly wrong, so you lie about what other people had said in order to make them more wrong.

You're a real catch, pattie..

	24-04-2005 10:19									#145
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What exactly was I wrong about again?

	24-04-2005 10:20									#146
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Your right Gepap, I am going to go into my local junk yard right now and build myself a T-72, let alone a hundred of them

	24-04-2005 10:21									#147
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos There are more that a few others that by themselves warrent war, least among them torture and mass murder. Again, not lib priorities.

Which, of course, is more patent bullshit.

Pre-9/11, the ONLY people saying anything about Afghanistan's mass-murdering, torturing regime were liberal groups like NOW. I remember having it come up frequently in issues groups in college back in 1993/94. Conservatives didn't give a damn. Hell, the Bush Admin. gave the Taliban 100+ million dollars prior to 9/11. Where was their concern for torture and murder then?

Right now, who's speaking out against the torture and mass-murder in Saudi Arabia? It sure ain't the conservatives.

	24-04-2005 10:21									#148
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Unless you're going to now tell me that you never believed in the existence of a significant CNB capability, how about that, for starters?

	24-04-2005 10:22									#149
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos Your right Gepap, I am going to go into my local junk yard right now and build myself a T-72, let alone a hundred of them

Here is a nice link:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milit...pment-intro.htm

Educate yourself, then say something. Otherwise you just keep looking like an idiot.

	24-04-2005 10:23									#150
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Which, of course, is more patent bullshit. Pre-9/11, the ONLY people saying anything about Afghanistan's mass-murdering, torturing regime were liberal groups like NOW. I remember having it come up frequently in issues groups in college back in 1993/94. Conservatives didn't give a damn. Hell, the Bush Admin. gave the Taliban 100+ million dollars prior to 9/11. Where was their concern for torture and murder then? Right now, who's speaking out against the torture and mass-murder in Saudi Arabia? It sure ain't the conservatives.

The Tals were actually on my **** list of about 5 countries starting in the late 90s. They were exactly the type of country I thought of when I dreamt about humanitarian wars.