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Florida Conservatives try to force 13 year old girl to not have an abortion. Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

The US Supreme Court struck down a Florida law backed by Gov. Jeb Bush that would have made it illegal for pregnant women under the age of 18 to have an abortion unless both of her parents agreed to allow her. The Supreme Court ruled that women have a right to what happens with there bodies which states cannot take away from them, however, a conservative lawmakers in Florida have passed a law outlawing any females in foster care from recieving an abortion.

A conservative judge has upheld the law and told a 13 year old girl in foster care that she must carry the pregnancy to term and that she may not end the pregnancy as she had sought. The ACLU has picked up the case and intends to fight the conservative anti-abortion law signed by Jeb Bush. The real question is will the courts move fast enough so that this young woman can get the medical care she is legally entitled to while there is still time?

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Fla. Agency Gets Teen's Abortion Blocked

By JILL BARTON, Associated Press Writer Wed Apr 27,10:04 PM ET

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. - The state's social services agency was granted a court order to block an abortion for a pregnant 13-year-old girl living in a state shelter, prompting an emergency appeal Wednesday by the
American Civil Liberties Union.
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The ACLU in its appeal on the girl's behalf cited Florida statutes that protect a minor's decision to decide on an abortion.

"No (Department of Children & Families) regulation or state law can override a constitutional right as recognized by the
U.S. Supreme Court," said Howard Simon, the organization's executive director for Florida.

"But putting aside the legalisms, forcing a 13-year-old to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term against her wishes not only is illegal and unconstitutional, it's cruel."

The girl learned she was pregnant two weeks ago and planned to have an abortion Tuesday. Her caseworker arranged for transportation and help. But the state Department of Children & Families asked a Palm Beach County juvenile judge Tuesday morning to block the procedure.

The state agency argued the 13 1/2-week pregnant girl — described as L.G. in court documents — is too young and immature to make an informed medical decision, according to the ACLU appeal.

A judge granted a temporary injunction and ordered a psychological evaluation.

There was no immediate indication when a decision on the appeal would be made.

In 2003, the
Florida Supreme Court struck down a law requiring parents to be notified if their minor daughters seek an abortion. Florida's high court also cited privacy rights in 1989 when it tossed out a law that would have required parental consent for a minor's abortion.

But DCF spokeswoman Marilyn Munoz said state law prohibits the department from consenting to an abortion for a minor in any instance. "It's not our decision. We stand in different shoes. We're held to a higher accountability," Munoz said.

She declined to comment specifically on L.G.'s case; no details on the girl's parents or family history were available.

Gov. Jeb Bush and Florida lawmakers have tried for years to tighten state laws on abortion.

After the Florida Supreme Court struck down the 1999 parental notice law, lawmakers voted last year to change the constitution to make such a law possible.

Voters approved the constitutional amendment in November and lawmakers currently are pushing legislation to require physicians to notify at least one parent before performing an abortion on a girl under age 18. Another bill would tighten regulation of clinics that perform second-trimester abortions.


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YEAH Oerdin. Youre on a roll. Way to represent SD baby another clear violation of law by the republicans.

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if the female is in fostercare, and not of age, than I would guess the social services group should decide for her, since they are the ones responsible for her

Jon Miller
(I don't think that someone below the age of 16 shoudl have the right to decide things like abortion)
(you can't drink, or enter into contracts, or smoke, or etc, but you can (Arguably) kill a human being?)

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Except they are not allowed to decide. The Florida law says that it is illegal for anyone in foster care to get an abortion and makes no exceptions even for medical needs.

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yeah, that is stupid

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The 13 year old should of been should be aborted.

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I'm not sure why she is in foster care since all of her details are not released but most people end up in foster car either because they're an orphan or because the state took them away for their parents for abuse or neglect. If I had to guess I'd hazard that she was sexually abused and that's why she's pregnant. Just a guess though.

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foster children should have more rights to an abortion without parental consent.

Obviously this law was passed just to prevent this one abortion.

I can't believe I used to vote republican. . This is just disgusting.

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Too many smelly, ugly children in the world.

Abortions

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We need to outlaw abortions, but legalize killing babies.

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Far-sighted bunch, those Floridians. Makes a great tagline for the tourist brouchures: "Welcome to Florida: where underage wards of the state are forced to breed!"

Methinks we should all find a publicly-traded Florida-based company that builds or manages prisons and buy, buy, buy.

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The Supreme Court ruled that women have a right to what happens with there bodies



But that is an inherently unstable, dangerous, radical idea. Autonomy over one's own body? What will be next? An end to traditional family values and thus, leading to destruction of American society?

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Stop picking on my state.

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Stop *****ing, how do you think I feel?

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Texas brings it on itself with its arrogance.

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It's not my fault if the damnyankees refuse to liberate the Austin Commune.

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It's not my fault if the damnyankees refuse to liberate the Austin Commune.


Just think of Austin as the West Berlin of the Red State/Blue State cold war...

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How does it feel to sell out and work for the "enemy", Rufus?

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Just think of Austin as the West Berlin of the Red State/Blue State cold war...

What about Atlanta?

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What about Atlanta?


I think of Atlanta as Prague: it's a damned shame that the place is part of enemy territory, but there's no denying that it is.

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How does it feel to sell out and work for the "enemy", Rufus?


Well, it pays better than academia. Of course, so does driving a bus...

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It just doesn't strike you all as cruel that conservatives are trying to foce a 13 year old to go through with an unwanted pregnancy. She's in foster care and the most common reason for xhildren to be in foster care is abuse or neglect and I'd guess (no proof) that sexual abuse is pretty high up on the list when it comes to young girls. It's just plain cruel.

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I don't think they're purposefully cruel. They're just unspeakably cynical, or unspeakably stupid.

I can't wait for an apologist to come and explain us why this law is great

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Far-sighted bunch, those Floridians. Makes a great tagline for the tourist brouchures: "Welcome to Florida: where underage wards of the state are forced to breed!"


Don't forget "where 5 -year olds are controlled with handcuffs and where it's legal to shoot people on your property"

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But that is an inherently unstable, dangerous, radical idea. Autonomy over one's own body? What will be next? An end to traditional family values and thus, leading to destruction of American society?


Oi!!! What cha you doin' here!! Go away!!


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Let her have the abortion if she wishes, and hang the father by his testicles, dangling over a pit of very hungry lions.

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I think we should change the law as suggested above. No abortions but, in calculating the number of extra babies we would get, issue hunting permits, one to a customer @ $10,000 each. Each permit holder would be allowed to kill at random any American child under the age of two, on July 4th only. Talk about fireworks. All proceeds go to paying of the national debt.

I think it would work fine.

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The US Supreme Court struck down a Florida law backed by Gov. Jeb Bush that would have made it illegal for pregnant women under the age of 18 to have an abortion unless both of her parents agreed to allow her. The Supreme Court ruled that women have a right to what happens with there bodies which states cannot take away from them,
Would someone care to explain to me how exactly the law splits the hair of saying children under the age of 18 are incompetent to join the army, smoke, drink, drive (and have sex) in some cases yet says that it is just fine for them to consent to have invasive surgery without parental notification?

 
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