30-04-2005 07:21									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Wernazuma III Don't forget "where 5 -year olds are controlled with handcuffs and where it's legal to shoot people on your property"

What's wrong with that? Where else are you gonna shoot people?

	30-04-2005 07:33									#32
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Uh guys arent we forgetting something, like how this 13 yo got pregnant in the first place???... You all have assumed that the father did it and that isnt written anywere. The kid is in foster care but how long has she been in foster care and who got her pregnant at the age of 13? If ya ask me this should be more of a social issue then a political one.

	30-04-2005 07:50									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Capt Dizle I think we should change the law as suggested above. No abortions but, in calculating the number of extra babies we would get, issue hunting permits, one to a customer @ $10,000 each. Each permit holder would be allowed to kill at random any American child under the age of two, on July 4th only. Talk about fireworks. All proceeds go to paying of the national debt. I think it would work fine.

Sorry, babies are too cute. Can't we just shoot the politicians?? Sure, it wouldn't solve the abortion problem, but it'd be a lot more fun.

	30-04-2005 08:22									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Capt Dizle I think we should change the law as suggested above. No abortions but, in calculating the number of extra babies we would get, issue hunting permits, one to a customer @ $10,000 each. Each permit holder would be allowed to kill at random any American child under the age of two, on July 4th only. Talk about fireworks. All proceeds go to paying of the national debt. I think it would work fine.

Holy **** you cant be serious what they hell did the kids do??? I say hunt down the genusies you guys voted for and put in office

	30-04-2005 08:49									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski Holy **** you cant be serious what they hell did the kids do??? I say hunt down the genusies you guys voted for and put in office

Well, those kids didn't do nothing, anymore than the kids that we routinely kill in the womb. I'm just saying, if we are going to murder babies, lets get some fun and financial benefit out of it.

	30-04-2005 09:13									#36
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sure why not just send our kids to school with a big red bulls eye pinned to their shirts that way we know that all the wackoos can have some fun picking off these kids

	30-04-2005 10:28									#37
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Stop picking on my state.

You deserve it.

	30-04-2005 10:29									#38
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Would someone care to explain to me how exactly the law splits the hair of saying children under the age of 18 are incompetent to join the army, smoke, drink, drive (and have sex) in some cases yet says that it is just fine for them to consent to have invasive surgery without parental notification?

You have a Constitutional right to abortion; you don't have one for the rest of those things (well except having sex, and the state can't prevent you from that either)>

	30-04-2005 10:51									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui You have a Constitutional right to abortion;

A minor has a constitutional right to consent to an invasive medical procedure without even parental notification when we rightly judge them unfit to even vote? Are they any other procedures that can consent to on thier own?

Maybe a look at the opinion cited might help clear things up for me. Could someone link to it?

	30-04-2005 10:57									#40
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quote: Maybe a look at the opinion cited might help clear things up for me.

It's called Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood v. Casey .

The right to vote has a valid countervailing interest for minors (ie, the reason to prevent minors from voting passes Constitutional muster).

	30-04-2005 11:04									#41
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Do we normally let minors consent to invasive procedures sans at least parental notification?

It looks like I was right:

quote: Among the new provisions, the law required informed consent and a 24 hour waiting period prior to the procedure. A minor seeking an abortion required the consent of one parent (the law allows for a judicial bypass procedure). A married woman seeking an abortion had to indicate that she notified her husband of her intention to abort the fetus. These provisions were challenged by several abortion clinics and physicians. A federal appeals court upheld all the provisions except for the husband notification requirement. .... The new standard asks whether a state abortion regulation has the purpose or effect of imposing an "undue burden," which is defined as a "substantial obstacle in the path of a woman seeking an abortion before the fetus attains viability." Under this standard, the only provision to fail the undue-burden test was the husband notification requirement.

Planned Parenthood v. Casey

	30-04-2005 13:13									#42
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And the Supreme Court ruled that it was an undue burden on her Constitutional right to have both parents notified without having a bypass.

If you notice the decision it says, consent of ONE parent WITH a judicial bypass procedure (ie, no consent is ok with the judge's go ahead).

	30-04-2005 13:19									#43
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I blame Oerdin's citing a non-existant case for starting this silly arguement. Though you might have just said that to begin with and spared me the few seconds of internet research.

	30-04-2005 13:24									#44
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What fun is that?

You know I love torturing people by not coming to the point immediately (it drove MrFun absolutely crazy!) .

	30-04-2005 12:25									#45
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uh hello why the hell do i need my husbands permission to do something with my body!!!!

	30-04-2005 15:45									#46
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Mrs Tubes has a point, something is severely ****ed up with society if 13 year olds are getting pregnant in the first place. As far as I'm concerned, the abortion issue is cut and dry: let her have one.

	30-04-2005 17:38									#47
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If she's a state ward, doesn't that mean that her parents are out of the loop, and that appropriate state authorities act in loco parentis?

	30-04-2005 17:44									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist If she's a state ward, doesn't that mean that her parents are out of the loop, and that appropriate state authorities act in loco parentis?

Yes. And she went before a judge to get around it, but state law doesn't allow that option for wards of the state. So in the name of protecting children, my state will force a child to become a mother.

She was not impregnated by her own father, btw. Her parents rights were terminated years ago. She does, however, have a habit of running away, and had escaped from foster care for about a month last year, at which time she got pregnant.

She's currently in her 2nd trimester. I say if she's forced to carry it to term, she should leave it at the State Legislature.

	01-05-2005 05:24									#49
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If anyone here wants to get intot he deepest of this problem, it would be wtf is wrong with the foster system that this child keeps running away and able to do so. If thats the case something else should have been done before this kid got knocked up.. Adults once again have failed this kid. You guys got governers and who else knows deciding on the wrong issues here. The fact isnt whether she should have an abortion but rather how did this happen to begin with.... and what can be done to not let it happen again.

	01-05-2005 05:36									#50
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Conservatives doing evil things? Again?

Where's my lighter....

	01-05-2005 05:39									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski If anyone here wants to get intot he deepest of this problem, it would be wtf is wrong with the foster system that this child keeps running away and able to do so.

If your kids were determined to run away, short of chaining them down, what could you do?

	01-05-2005 06:35									#52
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara If your kids were determined to run away, short of chaining them down, what could you do?

Well to honest of it were me a whole hell of a lot more then actually letting them run away gain and again.. after the first time there wouldnt be a second i can guarantee it. I love my kids but if she did this once id make sure it didnt happen again even if i have to chain her down.

	01-05-2005 08:23									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist If she's a state ward, doesn't that mean that her parents are out of the loop, and that appropriate state authorities act in loco parentis?

The state law in Florida is that all that the state must move to block any abortions or euthenasia in all cases for wards of the court. The law will get tossed out by the higher courts but for now conservatives have blocked a portion of the population for excersizing their legal rights.

	01-05-2005 08:29									#54
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quote: Originally posted by alva Oi!!! What cha you doin' here!! Go away!!

Somebody has to stand up for the right for society to dictate what women can/cannot do in regards to issues of their own well-being.

	01-05-2005 08:39									#55
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Somebody has to stand up for the right for society to dictate what women can/cannot do in regards to issues of their own well-being.

I for one dont need my husband telling me what i can and cant do with my body. I dont need his permission to live, breathe or move. Bringing another person in such as cheating is only grounds for divorce not my husband deciding that i can walk out side or seek medical advice. Course id never cheat on my husband so that doesnt apply here.

	01-05-2005 08:41									#56
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quote: I for one dont need my husband telling me what i can and cant do with my body. I dont need his permission to live, breathe or move

You ain't everyone. Some people likes that ****.

	01-05-2005 08:51									#57
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You are right im not like alot of women but i cant imigaine anyone thast would want to be treated like a freaking piece of meat. oh and by the way if women need mens permission to have their tubes tied why is that men dont need wifes permission to have a vasectomy?

	01-05-2005 09:03									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski I for one dont need my husband telling me what i can and cant do with my body. I dont need his permission to live, breathe or move. Bringing another person in such as cheating is only grounds for divorce not my husband deciding that i can walk out side or seek medical advice. Course id never cheat on my husband so that doesnt apply here.

I hope you know I was being sarcastic.

	01-05-2005 09:10									#59
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun I hope you know I was being sarcastic.

I do know you were indeed. My statement is in general bout whether i need the ole mans permission to wipe my butt. Im sorry mr fun you havent had the pleasure of some of my dry humor since i came on while you were gone. Little heads up on me as a whole, i have a big mouth, try not to be rude, am non politcal, and love a good argument.

	01-05-2005 18:12									#60
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc I blame Oerdin's citing a non-existant case for starting this silly arguement.

The case was in the Florida Supreme Court instead of the US Supreme Court, as stated in the article, so I did mistake which court made the ruling. I realize that when you can't argue the merits of a case or justify such terrible and obviously illegal laws that you instead try to find any little error and make a stink about that instead of dealing with the issue at hand. You do this little tactic so often that I have come to expect it from you instead of any sort of reasonable or intelligent discussion on the thread's topic.