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again, on this report, there is no indication on the relative condition of torrijos 'human right abuses' to other 3rd world leaders |
They said there were serious violation of human rights. This is the branch of the OAS that looks into human rights violations. They don't need to link to other Central and South American human rights abuses in a report dealing with Panama. Serious violations means one of the worst. I doubt they say it for everyone.
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if cubans love castro so much why are they hitching rides on anything that can float to get to the US? being popular means you havnt committed massive 'human rights violations' |
How many are 'hitching rides'? Most Cubans are cheering for Castro. Ask che about Casto's popularity.
As for Cuba's human rights violations, check out an Amnesty International report.
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when you are among the least, its ok. thats right. its called a gray area. theres a different bar for 3rd world countries. |
Hey, if everyone is a violater around you... its ok to be one as well. As long as you aren't Pinochet. Hey, if you are in the ghetto, it's ok to kill people if you are the least bad guy down there. There's a different bar in the ghetto.
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go ahead, i dare you, gimee a rush limbaugh book |
Anyone of them. Now are you going to go out and read it or accept what someone says from it as fact until you read the book? Thought so.
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im not gonna do your work for me. you either disprove it, or you accept it. |
I do neither. I don't accept the source. I don't accept conspiracy theorists. Hey man, that "Da Vinci Code", you have to accept it... because you sure as Hell can't disprove it. It's listed as "fiction", but the author says the underlying facts are real. Gotta accept it because no one can disprove it.
Get real and stop drinking the Kool Aid.
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also dont forget that Pakistani intelligence (backed up by the US) trained and armed the taliban |
Um... no. We armed the muhjaddin, you know, the Northern Alliance? There is a reason they became the government after the USSR was booted out. It took years after that until the Taliban kicked the Northern Alliance out of most of Afghanistan.
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Sikander
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Boulder, Colorado, United Snakes of America
Jan 2000
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Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
thats true, but i misspoke. when i said main man, i meant the guy that all americans know about. thats my bad.
also dont forget that Pakistani intelligence (backed up by the US) trained and armed the taliban, who then took over afghanistan, radicalised everyone, and made it a failed state. it was the taliban, the radical fundamentalists who arnt even really all that Afghani, who won that war.
however, did we arm these guys and did they come back and bite us in the ass? you bet you we did. to say otherwise is to ignore the geopolitics and history of the region |
The Taliban didn't even exist before the U.S. and the Soviets had both already quit Afghanistan. Pakistani ISI did create the Taliban, but it did so on its own. There were several years of civil war after the Soviets packed up, and then the Pakistanis unleashed the Taliban on an exhausted country. The prevailing attitude then was that while very few governments recognized the Taliban as a legitimate government (12 total iirc) most were simply relieved that the war was finally over. So most countries including the U.S. were willing to leave things alone and hope for the best in regards to the Taliban. This honeymoon lasted for about 2-3 years before the actions of the Taliban began to turn people off.
The U.S. arranged for some of the predecessors of the Taliban (ie the people who actually fought the Soviets, then one another and finally the Taliban) to receive arms. Did Pakistani ISI give the Taliban arms which were meant to go to groups fighting the Soviets? Very probably, as Pakistan was awash in weaponry by the end of the war against the Soviets. Realize that by this time the U.S. has already distanced itself from Pakistan and had started to improve relations with India as the cold war was over and India seemed to be a better fit with us if we had to choose sides. So U.S. influence over the situation by 1996 was minimal.
The Taliban did not make Afghanistan a failed state, the fact that Afghanistan was made a proxy battlefield in the cold war did, a policy for the U.S. which didn't begin with Reagan, though it did end with him. The Taliban simply filled the power vacuum created by the withdrawl of the Soviets years before. Their weakness was highlighted by the fact that they were routed by very small American forces in a very short period of time on very short notice in 2001. Wherever they got their weapons from, they availed them little against the U.S.
As for the blowback via the Afghan veteran Arabs, a few of whom later took up arms against anyone who didn't subscribe to their world view and in particular the U.S., sure Reagan didn't see that one coming. Of course I don't recall a lot of objections or worries about it from the people who are supposed to have been experts on these matters, including members of the Saudi Royal family who have much better information on the matter and a lot more at stake. Were we bit in the @ss? Maybe, it's hard to know what would have happened if we hadn't gotten involved in Afghanistan. Our opponent in the cold war had 20,000 nuclear weapons aimed at us, so even if it was remote the potential downside on the cold war was almost total. If I had the choice to follow the historical path or take a chance on a different outcome by not getting involved in Afghanistan I'd take the historical route without a doubt.
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Lawrence of Arabia
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of the Gulag Archipelago
Apr 2001
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in addition to some nebulous training that we some how managed to give a guy that hated America even then, we gave them around a THOUSAND state of the art anti-aircraft missiles. They only used 300 of them. According to you Osama would have 700 stinger missiles at his disposal. |
according to me, many of those 700 stinger missles would no longer work because they are 20 years old. you dont think there is any attrition on those guys?
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A petri dish for a university is not a weapons system, that took Iraqi expertise to make it one. No, by and large Saddam was a Soviet client, with Soviet,French,and Chinese hardware making up over 90% of his equipment, in a period in time when the US had no problem lending credit to shady charaters, and no problem selling advanced weaponry to people, and were the world leader in such exports. |
read the whole article. we gave him chemical and biological weapons, and the steel to make a delivery system. just cuz others do it, doesnt mean we dont share the blame.
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They said there were serious violation of human rights. This is the branch of the OAS that looks into human rights violations. They don't need to link to other Central and South American human rights abuses in a report dealing with Panama. Serious violations means one of the worst. I doubt they say it for everyone. |
again, on this report, there is no indication on the relative condition of torrijos 'human right abuses' to other 3rd world leaders.
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Anyone of them. Now are you going to go out and read it or accept what someone says from it as fact until you read the book? Thought so. |
if you cant disprove it, you have to accept it. would i run out and read it? maybe, maybe not. but i could also find another reputable source, or attack his backround, and use that to refute it.
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Um... no. We armed the muhjaddin, you know, the Northern Alliance? There is a reason they became the government after the USSR was booted out. It took years after that until the Taliban kicked the Northern Alliance out of most of Afghanistan. |
ummmm YES, not only did we arm the muhjaheddin, through ISI, we ALSO armed the taliban through ISI. (who was totally reliant on CIA money and training, we created the ISI) years? by 1994, they have unified the southern half of the country and expelled the various warlords. and again, theres another fallacy. not all muhjaheddin were northern alliance. in fact many muhjaheddin fought FOR the taliban, and they fought against each other until the taliban came in and unified everyone (both with and against them) in fact, there are many instances were northern alliance commanders switched sides because of bribes.
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Lundenwic
Oct 2001
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Reagan at a news conference, Yale University:
Q. Governor, do you think homosexuals should be barred from public office in the United States ?
Reagan: Certainly they should be barred from the Department of Beaches and Parks.
L. A. Times, December 5th, 1967
" All the wastes in a year from a nuclear power plant could be stored under a desk."
Audubon, January 1981.
Can't quite make up his mind- or hasn't yet found someone to do it for him:
" I favor the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and it must be enforced at the point of a bayonet if necessary."
San Francisco Chronicle, 20th October, 1965
or did he mean:
" I would have voted AGAINST the Civil Rights Act of 1964."
L. A. Times, 17th June 1966
On his qualifications for the governor's office:
" Gee, I don't know, I've never played a governor before."
1966, quoted in Joseph Lewis's 'What Makes Reagan Run ?'
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11-05-2005 13:52
The Soviets never blew our **** up. 
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