11-06-2005 03:31									#361
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quote: It was a bit of no-brainer really, it was easy to get Liverpool a place in the CL and the sh1t UEFA would 've caught for not doing it far outweighed the need to do a little bit of re-juggling.

I know. I can't understand why they took the bet.

	11-06-2005 03:35									#362
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus Then again, the same strategy should work for them

Are there still tickets on sale (for Enschede)? Maybe I'll come over for the quarter final.

	11-06-2005 03:43									#363
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon quote: It was a bit of no-brainer really, it was easy to get Liverpool a place in the CL and the sh1t UEFA would 've caught for not doing it far outweighed the need to do a little bit of re-juggling. I know. I can't understand why they took the bet.

Well, Imrans a yank but MikeH really should 've known better

	11-06-2005 03:46									#364
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus I doubt there'll be many actual Americans attending the game, we don't have too many around here. Most of the audience will be German (being only 5 miles from the German border and all)... Then again, the same strategy should work for them

Do Americans know the theme to Dambusters? I know some Germans do

	11-06-2005 03:54									#365
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we dont have any chants - we just idiotically shout "USA! USA! USA! USA!" over and over again, faster and faster.

then youll fit right in.

	11-06-2005 03:58									#366
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Don't you have songs? What about at club level, different clubs must have different songs?

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Guess I misunderstood Europe's predilection for changing the rules on a whim.

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Does Imran really have to pay reds $20? Not like he can enforce it.

Next Fantasy PL people should put money in though. LIke send $5 each to someone trustworthy, then they pay the winner at the end.

	11-06-2005 10:38									#369
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus However, I don't know any American football chants. .... Are there any? Could someone post a few examples?

After the opposition scores:
"That's allright, that's OK, you're going to work for us someday."

This is usually applied when better schools (e.g., Northwestern, Stanford) play schools with better football teams (e.g., just about anybody else), but I think it might be adapted to the Euro case.

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quote: Originally posted by Zopperoni Are there still tickets on sale (for Enschede)? Maybe I'll come over for the quarter final.

Yeah, there's still a fair number of seats available. Not in the very best 'vakken', but you wouldn't be condemned to the worst seats either.

I've sort of made an agreement to see all (interesting) matches in Enschede with a buddy of mine, but we haven't ordered our quarter final tickets yet (we first wanna see a few group matches to make sure it's worth it) so I'm sure we can work something out if you're interested in meeting up.


And Americans not having chants:

No wonder you s*ck arse (at football, that is)

Oh well, we still want you to beat the Germans, so we'll have to be creative

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Americans don't tend to have any forms of crowd behaviour that are spontaneous. You are supposed to spend the game stuffing yourself with hot dogs and ten dollar beers.

Canadians are not quite as bad, but at the first Jays game I went to I nearly doubled over when the big video board started telling people when to cheer.

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me and my mates were just talking the other day about how much fun it would be to turn up to a match where no there's no chanting or singing (like a fulham game ) and just start abusing everyone.

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Guess I misunderstood Europe's predilection for changing the rules on a whim.

Guess you'll be needing my email addess to pay me $20? (I'll sort your new avatar out later on this afternoon)

	11-06-2005 15:43									#374
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quote: Originally posted by Maquiladora Does Imran really have to pay reds $20? Not like he can enforce it.

All bets are only 'gentlemens agreements' in the UK, even when you bet with a registered bookmaker you are relying on them to do the honourable thing and pay up.

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No, I'll definetly pay up... I just have to know where. I *could* write 'reds4ever' on a $20 and put in a bottle and throw it into the Atlantic, but I'm not sure that'll work .

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Some fun news coming out. Glazer has apparently unveiled a plan to raise ticket prices 50% over the next 5 years . Yikes! No wonder the fans were so pissed.

Also it seems Chelsea is just about to get Asier Del Horno from Athletic Bilbao. He's a great left back and should be a force for Chelsea. Also from Chelsea. They've accused the Spurs of making illegal approaches to some players. It's probably true that every club does it (just not obviously), though Chelsea spurned could try to tattle on everyone that has subtley tried an approach. Could be fun to watch.

Oh, and reports out of Newcastle are that if Mark Viduka is healthy, he'll likely be a Magpie next year (according to Souness). He'll be added to Dirk Kuyt from Feyenoord, who is very close to being signed by Newcastle (or so it is said).

If Souness can get Kuyt, a healthy Viduka, and Parker, he'll probably be judged to have a successful transfer period, though he needs some more players to return Newcastle to the top 5 of the Prem.

	11-06-2005 21:19									#377
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever Don't you have songs? What about at club level, different clubs must have different songs?

DC United has a few, as I understand. I don't think too many others do.

If you go to a Notre Dame, Ohio State or a Michigan football game, they have a marching band and cheerleaders. It's well organized. The marching band plays songs, but normally fans don't sing anything but the school fight song and a few others. There are many traditional cheers, just not singing. The tradition at these games is no less than than that a big soccer club in the UK, and normally the stadiums over here seat more fans. Realize, however, that our sporting tradition grew up uninfluenced by soccer or the way fans behave in other countries. As I understand, it is pretty radically different, and not all that well suited to soccer yet. It takes a lot of time to build tradition, so give it 20 or 30 years...

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Btw, the biggest LOSER in Liverpool coming into the CL will be Manchester United. Because in the compromise all the other England teams will be getting LESS money than previously thought because instead of 4 teams, England gets 5, and the same pool of money is now divided up amongst a new country.

Because of the Glazier bid, they need as much money from the CL as they can possibly get.

	12-06-2005 04:10									#379
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	12-06-2005 04:13									#380
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Well I guess I could mail a check. Though I thought you wanted a Paypal thingy.

Or I'm being whooshed because most people wouldn't post their address on a forum .

	12-06-2005 04:17									#381
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Whatevers best for you mate, I'm not that big on the whole 'privacy' thing where people won't post their details, I think people who worry flatter themselves they are interesting enough to be stalked! Plus the fact I'll edit the post as soon as you say you've got my details!

My Paypal email is

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	12-06-2005 04:19									#382
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Kuyt to Newcastle? Noooo! What a waste of his talents, he'd be better off staying with Feyenoord...



Anyway, saw Argentina - USA today and I was thoroughly underwhelmed by Freddy Adu. I'm sure he had a bad day but this guy is supposed to be a second Pele? He certainly has the attidute of a prima donna but is yet to show the goods (e.g. he cheated to get a penalty, insisted on taking it himself and then failed to convert it ) I won't judge him on the basis of one match, but if I would I would say he will likely never exceed European top-level average. He's not bad, but not better than say a Van Bommel, a Giggs or a Julio Cruz (at best). But we'll see how he does in the upcoming matches...

On the American side I was more impressed by Barrett. A very hard worker and very goal-oriented. Doesn't seem to have quite the talent of some other players but hard work can get you far. As the goal that he scored testified. Reminded me of Kuyt actually (only less skilled).

But by far most impressive today was Messi, the Argentinian star player. If anyone on this tournament has it in him to become the next Pele it's him -- exceptional skill, fast as lightning, an inspiraration to the rest of his team. Didn't have his best day ever but you could see the talent is there. Why the Argentinian coach started him on the bench is a mystery to me.

He didn't come across as a very capable coach anyway (but I'm not gonna judge him on one match either), as the rest of the Argentinian team was a bit of a mess: great individual talent but not very well organised. The US were just the opposite and since I'm always biased in favour of hard work and team play I think their surprising and hard-fought 1-0 victory over Argentina was deseved -- if very, very lucky...

	12-06-2005 04:30									#383
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Alright, I PMed the info to myself .

quote: Kuyt to Newcastle?

Pray Souness doesn't win that battle then .

quote: he cheated to get a penalty, insisted on taking it himself and then failed to convert it

Cheated? I didn't see a dive. Shame he barely missed the penalty. Had the keeper beat, just hit the inside of the post and bounced out.

Freddy has had better games, though he had a few good runs. The problem is Adu is a MF, not a Forward, but in this team he's playing on top. It's a wierd decision.

quote: But by far most impressive today was Messi

Yep. He was amazing. Unlucky not to get a goal.

	12-06-2005 09:28									#384
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui If Souness can get Kuyt, a healthy Viduka, and Parker, he'll probably be judged to have a successful transfer period, though he needs some more players to return Newcastle to the top 5 of the Prem.

Newcastle buying Middlesbrough cast-offs? I wouldnt call that a successful transfer period just yet.

	12-06-2005 09:39									#385
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I wonder if AJ and Hunkeby (sp?) will have premier league buyers. Everton is still stilling on the pile of cash from the Rooney sale.

	12-06-2005 11:26									#386
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui If Souness can get Kuyt, a healthy Viduka, and Parker, he'll probably be judged to have a successful transfer period, though he needs some more players to return Newcastle to the top 5 of the Prem.

No ****.

	12-06-2005 12:17									#387
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quote: I won't judge him on the basis of one match, but if I would I would say he will likely never exceed European top-level average. He's not bad, but not better than say a Van Bommel, a Giggs or a Julio Cruz (at best). But we'll see how he does in the upcoming matches...

He's not a consistent player now. Same thing when he's playing at DC.

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Oh, and reports out of Newcastle are that if Mark Viduka is healthy, he'll likely be a Magpie next year (according to Souness). He'll be added to Dirk Kuyt from Feyenoord, who is very close to being signed by Newcastle (or so it is said). If Souness can get Kuyt, a healthy Viduka, and Parker, he'll probably be judged to have a successful transfer period

Hilarious. Viduka is a spent force. Even when he wasn't injured he looked fat, unfit and jaded.

Parker, on the other hand, would be a good buy. If Souness is looking for a striker, in his position I'd take a gamble and buy Nathan Ellington from Wigan. Ellington still has some way to develop, but he's got time on his side and was one of the Championship's top scorers even though he lost fom at the close of the season. He's fast and strong, and with the right coaching could cut it as a Premiership striker.

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I doubt Wigan will sell him, they need to strengthen for the premiership not sell their best players.

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quote: Originally posted by Locutus Kuyt to Newcastle? Noooo! What a waste of his talents, he'd be better off staying with Feyenoord...

He should go to Ajax

quote: the rest of the Argentinian team was a bit of a mess

... add a kid who's called Messi, and you'd get pandemonium. You say he was benched? Well, duh