05-06-2005 02:01									#271
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia chivas USA v chicago burn is on espn 2

Yep, and Chivas just went up 2-1

Oh, and Fox Soccer Channel is replaying the Scotland-Moldavia matchup and will have the 10:30 MLS match.

	05-06-2005 02:11									#272
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Group 4 POSSIBILITIES, 2nd EDITION

After Irelands tie at home against Israel (2 - 2) we can now reconfigure this matrix. Switzerland took care of business away 3 - 1 against the Faroe Islands. Both matches were played on June 4th

Switzerland (15 points) 9 points available vs. France, Israel, Ireland
France (14 points) 6 points available vs. Ireland, Switzerland
Israel (15 points) 3 points available vs. Switzerland
Ireland (16 points) 6 points available vs. France, Switzerland


IF
Switzerland ties all - 18 points
France - 15 points (3 points available) (D)
Israel - 16 points (0 points available) (D)
Ireland - 17 points (3 points available) (D)

Three ties guarantees Switzerland 2nd place, no matter what France v. Israel does . If France beats Ireland, then Switzerland will be the top seed of group 4 and automatically qualify on goal differential (+9) If Ireland beats France, then Ireland is group winner, and Switzerland takes second place due to goal differential. A tie means Ireland and Switzerland are #2 and #1 respectively.

IF
Switzerland WINS 1, TIES 2 - 20 points

France - 14 points (3 points available) (W)
Israel - 16 points (0 points available) (D)
Ireland - 17 points (3 points available) (D)

If Switzerland beats France and ties the rest, they are guarantted to be group winner by goal differential, no matter what France v Ireland does.

France - 15 points (3 points available) (D)
Israel - 15 points (0 points available) (W)
Ireland - 17 points (3 points available) (D)

If Switzerland beats Israel and ties France and Ireland, then they are guarantteed to be group winner by goal differential, no matter what France v Ireland does.

France - 15 points (3 points available) (D)
Israel - 16 points (0 points available) (D)
Ireland - 16 points (3 points available) (W)

If Switzerland beats Ireland and ties France and Israel, then Israel is eliminated and the winner of France v Ireland take #2 (or in case of a tie, whoever has better goal differential, right now its Ireland)


IF
Switzerland WINS 1, TIES 1, LOSES 1 - 19 points

France - 17 points (3 points available) (L)
Israel - 15 points (0 points available) (W)
Ireland - 17 points (3 points available) (D)

If Switzerland loses to France, beats Israel, and ties Ireland, then Switzerland will be at least second in the group, no matter what France v Ireland do. Whichever team wins will be group winner. The loser will be eliminated. In case of a tie, Switerzland is group winner, and it goes to goal differential between France and Ireland.

France - 15 points (3 points available) (D)
Israel - 18 points (0 points available) (L)
Ireland - 16 points (3 points available) (W)

If Switzerland ties with France, loses to Israel and beats Ireland, then Switzerland will be group winner, no matter what France v. Ireland does (either outright, or through goal differential)

France - 14 points (3 points available) (W)
Israel - 16 points (0 points available) (D)
Ireland - 19 points (3 points available) (L)

If Switzerland beats France, ties Israel, and loses to Ireland, then they will be group winners only if Ireland loses to France. If Ireland and France tie, then Switzerland will take #2 in the group. If France beats Ireland, then Switzerland is #1 on goal differential

France - 17 points (3 points available) (L)
Israel - 16 points (0 points available) (D)
Ireland - 16 points (3 points available) (W)

If Switzerland beats Ireland, ties Israel, and loses to France, then they will also qualify. They will be group winners if France loses or ties to Ireland, and they will take #2 if Ireland wins.

If Switzerland loses two matches, then they will not qualify. If they win two matches, they will win the group. I like our chances, more then I like Frances or Irelands. In other words, beating or tieing France and Ireland, or both will result in us going on to either direct qualification, or to the second elimination round.

Last edited by Lawrence of Arabia on 05-06-2005 at 02:16

	05-06-2005 06:36									#273
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USA 3 - 0 Costa Rica

Kasey Keller played awesome, so did Donovan and Beaseley. Then there was the usual crap with the latino players when they are getting tooled, and in the last 10 minutes realize they cant win so they go for the injury.

	05-06-2005 08:46									#274
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Apparently Wolff had a great cross for one of Donovan's goals (Wolff crossed it over, where it hit McBride, the deflected shot bounced right in front of Donovan in front of an open goal). That was surprising.

	05-06-2005 09:46									#275
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yeah it started off a freethrow, the defense was still *****ing about which way it went, the throw in came, went over the defender who was still yapping to the ref, wolff crossed it almost right away, mcbride dove forward and headed it low towards the goal, goalie tips it away, the ball rolls slowly parallel to the goal line, donovan slips in behind his defender and taps it under the diving arm of the goalie who attempted to recover.

	05-06-2005 17:32									#276
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Generally: Goddamn, what a game it was. I don't think we deserved the draw, but the Irish surely didn't deserve to win, with the moronic decision to replace Robbie Keane.

Lawrence:
If we win all 3 games, we pwn. considering the fact that two of those games are against the faroes, I am not very concerned. The game against you guys away is the one to be concerned about, but considering the fact that the faroes held you to a 1-all tie till the 70th minute, I think there is a lot of place for optimism.

	05-06-2005 18:22									#277
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia Czech Republic 8 - 1 Andorra

If you had expected anything less than 5-0 you're really naive...

quote: Is this the end of the israeli run?

I wouldn't call a long string of draws a "run" by any stretch of the definition...


The Netherlands win 2-0!! Coach Van Basten has now been undefeated for 10 matches in a row, a new Dutch record

(Of course, now I said that I jinxed it and Finland is gonna kick our arses Wednesday )

	05-06-2005 18:34									#278
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Um... LoA? Legally he can't be transferred to Europe because of his young age. Adu has basically said when he gets to the requisite age, he's gone. Though I think he should balk on the uber-clubs because he'll just be on the bench. Best to pick a decent, but non CL team so he can get some good playing time.

I agree he would be wise not to sign for ManU or Real, but I could see him playing for a club like PSV or Auxerre: clubs capable of CL football but which have training young talents as a focus as well.

	05-06-2005 18:37									#279
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His best bet IMHO would be to sign for a big club and then be loaned out to the clubs like Locutus mentioned for a couple of seasons

	05-06-2005 21:41									#280
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Manure have signed Van Der Sar from Fulham for an undisclosed fee. Hes a good keeper, shame its about 3 seasons too late for Manure. Tim Howard must be kicking himself again for staying.

	05-06-2005 21:55									#281
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quote: If we win all 3 games, we pwn. considering the fact that two of those games are against the faroes, I am not very concerned. The game against you guys away is the one to be concerned about, but considering the fact that the faroes held you to a 1-all tie till the 70th minute, I think there is a lot of place for optimism.

i already included your games against faroes in your total. i assume that you guys would win all games not against the top three. you only have one game vs. the top three left, and thats vs. switzerland.

and lets be accurate here. they didnt 'hold us in a 1-all tie till the 70th" they tied it in the 70th and held us 'at a 1-all tie' for all of three minutes. and the alex frei scores. then he scores again. this guy is unstoppable. he was the scoring champ of the french Ligue A this year.

quote: If you had expected anything less than 5-0 you're really naive...

actually, i expected 5 - 0, not 8 - 1.

	05-06-2005 22:59									#282
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the ireland game had some quality misses

and another day, another chelsea outrage, tapping up frank arnesen (spurs director of football), wonder what the FA will do about this, probably **** all

	05-06-2005 23:17									#283
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Auxerre (the oakland A's of the Ligue A) won the Coupe de France yesterday 2 - 1 against Sedan (L2) Auxerre has got to be the most well run club in the Ligue A

	06-06-2005 00:00									#284
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Auxerre coach quits after 44 years!

	06-06-2005 00:15									#285
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he is like the winningest coach in ligue A history i think

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quote: Originally posted by C0ckney and another day, another chelsea outrage, tapping up frank arnesen (spurs director of football), wonder what the FA will do about this, probably **** all

Arnesen has said he wants to go so he can **** off, as long as we get compensation from Chelsea i couldnt care less.

	06-06-2005 09:33									#287
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Ok, MAYBE, the Prem has a valid reason to prevent tapping up of players (argument of collective bargaining may carry the day, even though I doubt it). But what reason can they give to prevent 'tapping up' of front office people?!

	06-06-2005 10:07									#288
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These are the club annoucements, in order:

Tottenham:

quote: Chelsea Football Club has made an approach to Sporting Director, Frank Arnesen, in direct breach of FAPL rules. This approach was made both prior to requesting permission and without permission from the Club. Tottenham Hotspur Football Club refused permission for any discussions to take place. Notwithstanding that he is subject to contract and holds wide-ranging responsibilities and commitments to all parties at Tottenham Hotspur Football Club, Frank has indicated that he wishes to move to Chelsea Football Club. Accordingly, the Board of Tottenham Hotspur plc has suspended Frank Arnesen with immediate effect. The Club is currently in discussions with its legal advisors and a further announcement will be made in due course.

Chelsea:

quote: In response to the suspension of Frank Arnesen by Tottenham Hotspur, Chelsea Ltd, the parent company of Chelsea Football Club, has put out the following statement. “Chelsea Ltd made an official approach to Tottenham Hotspur for permission to speak to Frank Arnesen two weeks ago. ”Chelsea Ltd has been in direct discussions with Tottenham for the last two weeks on this subject.”

Tottenham:

quote: In response to the statement by Chelsea Ltd, parent company of Chelsea Football Club, the club wishes to clarify the following points. Chelsea Ltd's letter asking permission to approach Frank Arnesen sent to the club on the 21st May was copied to Frank Arnesen. By definition, Frank was therefore approached prior to the club having had any chance to refuse permission. A further call was made to the club by Chelsea on the 23rd May when again permission to approach Frank was refused and this was confirmed in writing to them at the time. No other discussions were held with Chelsea until Friday 3rd June when, at the Premier League Chairman's meeting, the Chairman and Club Secretary met with the Chief Executive and Chairman of Chelsea. At that meeting our Chairman made clear his disappointment both at the approach and nature of the approach and made clear his intentions to seek substantial damages. The rule which has been breached is rule U10 which cites 'no club shall directly or indirectly induce or intend to induce any employee of another club to terminate a contract of employment with that other club (whether or not by breach of that contract) or directly or indirectly approach any such employee with a view to offering employment without the consent of that other club'.

As said on another board they should stop all Chelsea transfers for a season and deduct (properly) a few more points for next season, otherwise itll do **** all. Chelsea are fast becoming my 3rd most hated team in the PL

	06-06-2005 10:24									#289
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Oh, that's ridiculous. Stopping transfers and deduct points for copying a letter asking permission to the person whose permission was being asked? What mock outrage!

The FA better tread lightly, because I'm sure Abromovich has plenty of cash for legal challenges against a 'restraint of trade' as well.

	06-06-2005 14:31									#290
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Company offers man job shocker.

	06-06-2005 17:46									#291
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The FA needs to sort this out. They need to look at their regs and see which ones arn't legally enforcable in a court of law and ditch them. Either that or every player/manger/club employee will have to sign waivers agreeing to certian rules.

	06-06-2005 17:51									#292
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They need to ditch the whole concept of "tapping up" being a bad thing.

The richest clubs will generally get the best staff in the end whether they be players, managers, or whatever. Fact of life.

	06-06-2005 18:01									#293
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the problem IMHO is that (say) Chelsea tapping up a Liverpool player is one thing, Liverpool will survive. Chelsea tapping up some young player from the lower leagues causing the player to 'create problems' at his club in order to be sold (and maybe not at his full market value or what he would be worth in a few more years) is another.

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That's nothing an 'off the record' leak to a tabloid couldn't achieve anyway. Or if a club approaches that players club and are rejected the player will find out anyway.

	06-06-2005 18:23									#295
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very true. Chelsea have just been indiscreet (or stupid).

	06-06-2005 18:33									#296
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They should try and bring in someone new to be in charge of transfers to stop this kind of gaffe happening in future.

	06-06-2005 20:01									#297
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH They should try and bring in someone new to be in charge of transfers to stop this kind of gaffe happening in future.

Machiavelli?

	06-06-2005 21:25									#298
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever very true. Chelsea have just been indiscreet (or stupid).

The first certainly, since its happened before. Tottenham arent even forced to take it further, but if it was an illegal approach theres no reason to just let it pass, expensive lawyers or not.

I like Chelsea though, as long as Mourinho is there theyre a damn sight more entertaining to see at the top of the league than Manure or Arsenal.

	06-06-2005 21:37									#299
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH That's nothing an 'off the record' leak to a tabloid couldn't achieve anyway. Or if a club approaches that players club and are rejected the player will find out anyway.

Some of those tabloids make hollywood press coverage look very reliable in comparison.

	06-06-2005 23:10									#300
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever very true. Chelsea have just been indiscreet (or stupid).

Indeed. Need to work on a good transfer/PR man. Have the tabloids say Ashley Cole is going to Chelsea rather than get caught trying to get him themselves.