02-06-2005 15:44									#241
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Curt, did you check what Kobayashi posted in his DST thread about island warfare?

	02-06-2005 15:58									#242
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For what it's worth;

GOTO commands in the event file that fire off every turn and tell Canadian units to move in a specified direction might solve this problem . . . . if you can get the AI to follow the commands.

Likewise, making the individual units much more expensive is a possible solution as well, one that I've used often.

As I've pointed out in several readme files, the game's "realism" disappears when the AI covers the map with wandering military units, aimlessly blundering along, doing nothing in particular. I can't think of a single historical period/situation in which precious military resources were told to just mosey about the countryside randomly.

	02-06-2005 20:44									#243
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The AI is the pest here...

In other theatres, it is not a hassle, as the Germans and Russians
(for instance) are always in battle with each other and at close-quarters.

The isolated nature of the North American continent means that the
AI is tempted to do the infamous ‘wandering routine’...But I wonder
if a combo of much more expensive units and taking away the
'expansionist' nature from the commonwealth may stop them
building silly 'jobless units' and go straight for the enemies....

I will make changes and see what happens!

	02-06-2005 20:58									#244
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Just a question, for you chaps -

In 1940 who should own:

Kabul,
Tehran,
Shiraz,
Belgrade,
Bucharest,
Zagreb,

Given that the list of civ will be the same, but with China added...

	02-06-2005 21:03									#245
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quote: Originally posted by jim panse Curt, did you check what Kobayashi posted in his DST thread about island warfare?

I hope Koby does not mind, but I am tempted to borrow his transport
ship settings to make these units surge out and do the business!

PS
He will be fully credited with this breakthrough, of course!

	02-06-2005 22:35									#246
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Kabul - neutral
Tehran - neutral
Shiraz - neutral
Belgrade - neutral
Bucharest - pro-Axis
Zagreb - neutral

I´d guess something like this ...

	02-06-2005 23:47									#247
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Sounds good, does this pass muster from everyone else?

	03-06-2005 01:24									#248
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Looks fair to me.

	03-06-2005 02:01									#249
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How will Yugoslavia be conquered, and thus Tito's wrath assured, if it's a neutral allied to everyone?

	03-06-2005 02:32									#250
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Oh, and Curt, one more thing, as I'm sure you strive for a degree of accuracy. Starting a new game as the Japanese in v.3, I noticed you have Nara as the city in Okinawa. This should be Naha. Nara is a large city on the north coast of Honshu that was once the Imperial Capital in the feudal days. Naha is the biggest settlement in Okinawa.

	03-06-2005 04:26									#251
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You are correct.
A small typographical blooper on my part.

It will be fixed - Along with the other major changes this weekend.

	03-06-2005 04:32									#252
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I assume the neutrals will be attacked by Germany and Japan, correct?

	03-06-2005 04:34									#253
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I look forward to v.4. I suppose I've saddled myself with the official Japan playtester job, as no one else has mentioned playing the Civ.

	03-06-2005 04:43									#254
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quote: Originally posted by rmsharpe I assume the neutrals will be attacked by Germany and Japan, correct?

Japan will go for the Neutrals, but Germany may need some new event to do the mischief!

	03-06-2005 04:44									#255
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quote: Originally posted by Patine I look forward to v.4. I suppose I've saddled myself with the official Japan playtester job, as no one else has mentioned playing the Civ.

My thanks, dude!

Things will be different in V4, but please play and tell me if you notice any bugs/issues cropping up!

	03-06-2005 04:50									#256
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Will do, Curt.

	03-06-2005 04:56									#257
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Oh, and Curt, one more suggestion. I think you should put the Dutch East Indies under the Brits if the Japanese can't attack neutrals. The Japanese invaded the islands shortly after declaring war on the British Empire.

	03-06-2005 04:57									#258
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Playing as the brits now, it's dec 1940. I've managed to hold the British isles so far, London was emptied on one turn (underestimated the naval forces of Germany) but I reinforcred it and sunked their stacked fleet (all of it ain't gone yewt though). I've realised that ships is the best way to attack coastal cities. When I playtested with Germany I used mostly ships and infantry.

Anyways, I've advanced in northern Africa, to their line of fortresses, puching towards Tripoli, which I guess I will take soon when ships arrive to the scene.

The Commonwealth actually attacked Brest and landed troops there (sending in their fleet there too though). It was itneresting and fun to see. They did it recently so I'll see if they can hold out. This will buy me some time to attack Norway. Mogadishu has fallen, but I don't have the manpower to attack Addis Ababa now. It will be interesting to see what happenes when the Japanese attacks.

Looking forward to the update, keep up the good work Curt.

	03-06-2005 12:27									#259
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quote: Originally posted by Patine Oh, and Curt, one more suggestion. I think you should put the Dutch East Indies under the Brits if the Japanese can't attack neutrals. The Japanese invaded the islands shortly after declaring war on the British Empire.

This is something I will look into - I imagine the Japanese can
be made to break the hex alliance with the barb/neutrals via
events, but failing that, I will go with your suggestion...

	03-06-2005 12:29									#260
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quote: Originally posted by Arthedain Playing as the brits now, it's dec 1940. I've managed to hold the British isles so far, London was emptied on one turn (underestimated the naval forces of Germany) but I reinforcred it and sunked their stacked fleet (all of it ain't gone yewt though). I've realised that ships is the best way to attack coastal cities. When I playtested with Germany I used mostly ships and infantry. Anyways, I've advanced in northern Africa, to their line of fortresses, puching towards Tripoli, which I guess I will take soon when ships arrive to the scene. The Commonwealth actually attacked Brest and landed troops there (sending in their fleet there too though). It was itneresting and fun to see. They did it recently so I'll see if they can hold out. This will buy me some time to attack Norway. Mogadishu has fallen, but I don't have the manpower to attack Addis Ababa now. It will be interesting to see what happenes when the Japanese attacks. Looking forward to the update, keep up the good work Curt.

I will make sure Germany has less naval clout in the next
update, they should be relying on planes and the odd
amphibious SS attack to try and take 'old London tahn!'

Good luck with your attacks!

	03-06-2005 15:37									#261
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Well, their fleet does come in handy when facing the British fleet.
I was thinking, one negative thing with everybody having alliances with the neutrals is that if the neutrals have a lot of mobile units, they will probably wander through the players territories.

	05-06-2005 00:45									#262
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The neutrals have a minimum of units - Soon, they will only immobile garrisons...

	09-06-2005 23:15									#263
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UPDATE!

*New order of units outlined.
*Garrison unit added.
*Sherman and Wolverine made available to all Allies.
*Chinese civ added.
*Ki-67 Peggy longrange bomber added.
*105mm SP Wespe Added.
*Unit stats and costs now tweaked.
*All unit firepower ratings set to one.
*Canada has remained a commonwealth power.
*Mountains now passable.
*Changed improved RR graphic.
*Made Barbs into the neutrals.

Current task - Unit placement.
Due to the new layout of units, the whole setup must be
changed, but this is a welcome chance to fix some issues.

Soon, I will request Agricola to enter the civs into hex alliance with the barbs.
I am assuming an event command can make a civ go to war with the barbs too?

More to come!
Things are looking better now...

	14-06-2005 18:53									#264
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quote: Originally posted by AGRICOLA The kind of changes (alliances) that you are looking for will remain with the game unless playing the game changes them. AFAIK, alliances with barbs are impossible to break during a game because alliances can only be broken by diplomacy and dialogue with barbs is impossible. So you are probably safe in getting the alliances set up at any convenient time. Subsequent development work should have no effect.

AGRICOLA, could I ask you to carry out that hex trick if you have the chance?

Just to remind:
The treaties are located in the following bytes (ToT 1.1 only):

2984-3015 + 3348N, where N is the civ number (0-7), starting with Barbarians.

Zipped save and scn files are attached!

Thanks in advance!

	14-06-2005 22:08									#265
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I guess the newest version will be up soon then. Can't wait!

	14-06-2005 22:49									#266
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Got the new events fixed today!

Once the hex-work is done, I will be ready to give a tweak-test...

Then the new zip is up for the players to test!

	15-06-2005 00:51									#267
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Sorry to be a bit slow. RL reared its ugly head.

I edited both D3.scn and DICTA-MAP4.sav.

D3 fixed.scn and DICTA-MAP4 fixed.sav have everyone allied with the Rebels.

You can check it out in DICTA-MAP4 test.sav where, in SW Sahara, there 7 units from the various civs ready to fight 7 Reb units.

Attachment: hexed.zip
This has been downloaded 2 time(s).

	15-06-2005 01:17									#268
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Totally top work, mate!

A very clever test file you have made!

I will try it out right now and tell you how things go!

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	15-06-2005 01:40									#269
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Seems to work well!

Great work, Agricola - This is a real breakthrough!

The new Chinese civ seems to be holding out against Japan.
With a human playing, it may be a really fun challenge!

My next task is now to fine tune the diplomacy.

I want to set up the chance that China and the other civs can talk.

Germany has very limite diplomacy...For obvious reasons!
The Allies might be able to talk to the Soviets...What do you think?

It opens the possibility for war, but might be fun...

	15-06-2005 01:48									#270
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Nice one, Agri!

It seems the barb/neutrals attacked the brits with their test
stuka, but this is no matter as they will have no offensive
units in-game. All the have are harmless garrisons...

So the barb experiment is triumphant!

If it holds out for the whole game, then I might use this
from now on to give the player an extra civ to choose from!

Grand!