16-05-2005 05:45									#61
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quote: Originally posted by BlackCat The topic of the thread ISN'T about how the muslim world read the story - it is about the bad quality of the newsweek research of the story. I know It's Oerdins thread, but I think he will agree.

Thread Police,

The aftereffects of that story are just as important, and it is important to understand WHY they happened.

	16-05-2005 05:46									#62
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc BlackCat: This will continue for as long as you wish it to and Ted will still not see the point.

I see he has adopted your "run for cover" strategy.

	16-05-2005 05:47									#63
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quote: Originally posted by BlackCat Nah, take a look at http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=133519

Couldnt be bothered to read through the whole thread...your point?

	16-05-2005 05:51									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Harry Tuttle No, some Americans too. I would have commented in this thread if it had remained on topic, but unfortunately the back seat activists have turned it into an American bashing thread.

1, What do you mean by backseat activists?

2, Why one earth would you considder criticism of torture being conducted in US prisons bashing of Americans????

	16-05-2005 05:56									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker I see he has adopted your "run for cover" strategy.

I believe you're the one ignoring the point of the thread.

	16-05-2005 05:59									#66
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Nope, I already addressed it

Secondly, come back and post when you have the courage to actually have an opinion

I thought dinosaurs were supposed to be bold, not like a rodent that steals other people's food and just scurries off when it gets caught. Or, a more appropriate metaphor would be a weasel.

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	16-05-2005 06:00									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Thread Police, The aftereffects of that story are just as important, and it is important to understand WHY they happened.

Are you saying that it is impossible to discuss quality of journalism as an seperate issue ?

Of course bad journalism has aftereffects, that is one of the serious problems about it, but to drown the discussion in these aftereffects doesn't really do anything good about preventing bad journalism.

You have a very weak point about the environment that allowed an unchecked story go public, but is that an excuse for newsweek to print a nonverified story ?

What really intererest me is what mechanisms was shortcut in this case. They knew that it was a story that would make headlines; they knew that their information wasn't confirmed, but still they printed it. Why ?

	16-05-2005 06:03									#68
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quote: Originally posted by atawa Couldnt be bothered to read through the whole thread...your point?

You don't have to - page one should be enough (evene without reading the OP).

	16-05-2005 06:04									#69
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quote: Originally posted by BlackCat What really intererest me is what mechanisms was shortcut in this case. They knew that it was a story that would make headlines; they knew that their information wasn't confirmed, but still they printed it. Why ?

Argh!!!! Abu Gharib! Torture! Argh!

	16-05-2005 06:05									#70
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quote: Originally posted by BlackCat Are you saying that it is impossible to discuss quality of journalism as an seperate issue ?

No, just as it is not impossible to add in the effects of the story. You're just being anal.

quote: is that an excuse for newsweek to print a nonverified story ?

You're completely missing the relationship between them publishing a story and the effects of it. And no it's not an excuse and never once have I made excuses for Newsweek. Maybe you missed the part where I said they should be brought up on charges.

The reason what they did was so severe was the effects that their story had ON AN ALREADY TENSE SITUATION. The situation was already tense because of what I have pointed out, which were the past abuses of the US. Get it?

quote: What really intererest me

What interests YOU is not what everybody is else is interested in. Is that a hard concept to grasp?

	16-05-2005 06:07									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Nope, I already addressed it

Actually, you have done anything else than that (ok, almost).

	16-05-2005 06:09									#72
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Anal Thread Police,

Sorry, you do not define what direction a thread takes. Just because you don't like the topic at hand.

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This DL is beginning to bore me.

	16-05-2005 06:15									#73
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quote: Originally posted by BlackCat They knew that it was a story that would make headlines; they knew that their information wasn't confirmed, but still they printed it. Why ?

quote: Originally posted by Winston I suspect part of the answer depends on their determination to make the administration look bad.

	16-05-2005 06:18									#74
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Winston: The sad part is that CBS will likely look at Newsweek in envy when the wrist slaps they suffered aren't even handed out.

	16-05-2005 06:22									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker No, just as it is not impossible to add in the effects of the story. You're just being anal.

Ouch, we are getting desperate aren't we ? No arguments ? well just pull out the good ole weapon - personal insults.

quote: You're completely missing the relationship between them publishing a story and the effects of it. And no it's not an excuse and never once have I made excuses for Newsweek. Maybe you missed the part where I said they should be brought up on charges.

Where has I ever stated that there are no relationship between the story and the effects ?

quote: The reason what they did was so severe was the effects that their story had ON AN ALREADY TENSE SITUATION. The situation was already tense because of what I have pointed out, which were the past abuses of the US. Get it?

If you really think that the effects of the story was so bad, why are you then trying so hard to change the subject from the false story to something about torture ?

quote: What interests YOU is not what everybody is else is interested in. Is that a hard concept to grasp?

Oh, very nice of you to tell me that I'm not allowed to have an opinion different than yours and that you are representative for all others. If you want to discuss torture, fine with me, but that isn't the topic of this thread.

	16-05-2005 06:26									#76
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quote: The sad part is that CBS will likely look at Newsweek in envy when the wrist slaps they suffered aren't even handed out.

Yes. At least The New York Times got rid of Jayson Blair back in the day when the frauds became too obvious. But I guess since people's attention span is so short, we get the media we deserve in some twisted way.

	16-05-2005 06:28									#77
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quote: Originally posted by BlackCat If you really think that the effects of the story was so bad, why are you then trying so hard to change the subject from the false story to something about torture ?

I can't help it if you can't read. Torture is directly related to the topic at hand, because of past incidents. Other people seemed to have voluntarily joined in to the discussion, by the way. If you can't grasp the interrelationship of it and how it complements the subject, that's your own fault. The silly Framing game is getting played out though.

quote: Oh, very nice of you to tell me that I'm not allowed to have an opinion different than yours and that you are representative for all others.

Reverse projection. Nice tactic. Sorry, doesn't work though.

quote: If you want to discuss torture, fine with me, but that isn't the topic of this thread.

Another bad framing attempt.

	16-05-2005 06:32									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker I thought ...

Was it painful?

	16-05-2005 06:32									#79
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Shut up, Ted.

	16-05-2005 06:34									#80
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Was it painful?

I spotted an actual opinion of yours a few posts up. As rare as Big Foot, but I do believe it was there.


Was it traumatic? Did your counselor help you through the ordeal. I'm proud of you DinoDoc, you're on your way to becoming a man!! Maybe...

	16-05-2005 06:37									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Winston Shut up, Ted.

	16-05-2005 06:38									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker I can't help it if you can't read. Torture is directly related to the topic at hand, because of past incidents. Other people seemed to have voluntarily joined in to the discussion, by the way. If you can't grasp the interrelationship of it and how it complements the subject, that's your own fault. The silly Framing game is getting played out though.

Nope, the topic is journalists release unconfirmed story - what are the impacts of this - why did they do it.

	16-05-2005 06:39									#83
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Yes, what are the impacts, a bunch of people died, why were they so angry.

And why Newsweek should be brought up on charges for doing the equivalent of screaming fire in a crowded theatre.

	16-05-2005 06:45									#84
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WTF!

http://www.apolyton.net/forums/show...356#post3797768

Newsweek is totally plagiarizing me, and mine WAS FICTION. a) i want to get paid now. b) I'm angry.

	16-05-2005 06:50									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Yes, what are the impacts, a bunch of people died, why were they so angry.

Try stand up in Kansas and say that you use the bible as toilet paper.

	16-05-2005 07:06									#86
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More like:

1) Go to Kansas, arrest a bunch of innocent people, without charging them, hold them for 3 years

2) Go to Nebraska, imprison a bunch of people, torture them and then distribute photos of it

3) Go to Kansas, stand up and say you use the Bible as toilet paper

	16-05-2005 07:15									#87
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You don't have to go through step 1 and 2 to get the reaction - it's religion and thereby defies any kind of logic or prehistory.

	16-05-2005 07:17									#88
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DUH

A friend of mine was doing a movie shoot in India and had to be escorted out of the country by Indian military because there was a riot because some idiot started a rumor that they were ripping out pages of the Koran.


HOWEVER, the reaction is INTENSIFIED because of those things that had already happened. People are way less willing to cut you slack if you have a history of doing stupid things. That's all about credibility, which we are finding less and less of these days.

	16-05-2005 07:28									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker A friend of mine was doing a movie shoot in India...

Ah, we're now finally entering a field with a little more relevance to the thread topic.

Great, somehow I always knew you could do it.

	16-05-2005 07:29									#90
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The posts have been relevent since the start. Not my fault you haven't made the connection until just now.


Thanks for the pointless post though.