17-05-2005 02:07									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor "Vaccining the children is the parents' responsibility"

Vaccination is required not to protect the individual vaccinated, but to protect the rest of society.

	17-05-2005 02:50									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov I like hot baths and shouldn't be denied to take one at a temperature that I desire.

Try one at a temperature above 60 degrees C. It'll be really funny. Not for you, admittedly.

	17-05-2005 03:03									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp Try one at a temperature above 60 degrees C. It'll be really funny. Not for you, admittedly.

According to the article, the valve would prevent being able to warm a bath that has cooled off.

	17-05-2005 03:23									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov According to the article, the valve would prevent being able to warm a bath that has cooled off.

Look again at the source . The only thing where I remotely trust the article s when it says that a politician wants to adress the problem of scalding water.

	17-05-2005 03:32									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka DD, we don't care... let them have their stupidities. It's not like we are going to be affected by it.

But isn't it written in the EU "constitution" that the nation with the dumbest law on a particular subject gets to have that law imposed on the rest of the union?

	17-05-2005 03:37									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Adults have a right to choose their own temperature, I should think.

No adult choses 130° bathwater or higher.

	17-05-2005 03:41									#67
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Okay, assume I'm a child. My parents are distracted and they draw a bath that scalds me. I now have 3rd degree burns over a substantial part of my body. I get to live my life in pain, suffering years of operations and skin grafts and look like a freak. How exactly is my life helped by punishing the parent who made the accident happen?

	17-05-2005 13:37									#68
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Here's another way of looking at it.

Those control taps are expensive. These measures mean you get them automatically. If you want to keep them, then award yourself a big cup of milky tea and a biscuit.

If you want to keep them, but can't be arsed to keep them maintained, award yourself a big cup of milky tea and a biscuit. Who's going to be able to enforce it? They can't for gas boilers, so thinking the tap police will come calling is hilarious.

If you don't want them, get a spanner. Go down to "B & Q" and spend £15 on a new set of ordinary taps. Fit them in a 30 minute job. I'll post instructions on how to do this if anyone's confused. Then award yourself a big cup of milky tea and a biscuit.

Whilst doing so, take time out to ponder how this can be considered "news". You freaks.

	17-05-2005 13:42									#69
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Please, please, please don't take Laz's advice on plumbing. Would cause a massive national flooding catastrophe.

	17-05-2005 15:32									#70
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara No adult choses 130° bathwater or higher.

I think I can visualize Boris' scenario more clearly for you. Imagine that you've been enjoying a nice soak for a while, but the water is getting cold. The tub is nearly full with clean water so what you really want is a little very hot water to warm up the large amount of lukewarm water that you currently have. I agree with Boris, we should have a choice. Perhaps as Spencer suggests this should be regulated only in apartments where people cannot independently make a choice that fits their situation. Otherwise let adults run hot water if they want.

	17-05-2005 17:19									#71
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I am not sure what is this device that is proposed?

If it's some sort of thermostat that keeps a person from having extremely hot water pouring over him in the shower, or extremely hot water being in a bath, who the hell in their right minds would oppose it?

	17-05-2005 18:10									#72
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It just strikes me as a bizarre subject matter for the government to turn it's attention to...

	17-05-2005 18:17									#73
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Che had a good point about old people in nursing homes or young children who are left at the mercy of someone else who just might not care. Like Japher said we have scald protectors in California and nothing bad seemed to happen. It might halp a few people and it doesn't cost much so why not?

	17-05-2005 18:20									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison It just strikes me as a bizarre subject matter for the government to turn it's attention to...

It's "The Sun". Enough said.


"Oh no! The Tap Police are coming!"

	17-05-2005 18:23									#75
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It's funny, if it's The Sun I'm surprised they haven't been able to blame this one on the EU

	17-05-2005 18:28									#76
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That's because they're still looking for a way to blame it on Asylum Seekers.

	17-05-2005 18:48									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Che had a good point about old people in nursing homes or young children who are left at the mercy of someone else who just might not care. Like Japher said we have scald protectors in California and nothing bad seemed to happen. It might halp a few people and it doesn't cost much so why not?

OMG DON'T YOU THINK THAT PEOPLE SHOULD BE FREE TO BURN THEMSELVES?!11 COMYFASHIST.

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quote: Originally posted by Az OMG DON'T YOU THINK THAT PEOPLE SHOULD BE FREE TO BURN THEMSELVES?!11 COMYFASHIST.

I don't think people should be forced to pay for the privilege if they don't wish to.

	17-05-2005 18:51									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Az If it's some sort of thermostat that keeps a person from having extremely hot water pouring over him in the shower, or extremely hot water being in a bath, who the hell in their right minds would oppose it?

Conservatives. Duh.

	17-05-2005 18:54									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Conservatives. Duh.

You must have missed the "in their right mind" part.

	17-05-2005 18:54									#81
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quote: I don't think people should be forced to pay for the privilege if they don't wish to.

Which reminds me, Is installing the device in every home economically sound?

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quote: Originally posted by Az quote: I don't think people should be forced to pay for the privilege if they don't wish to. Which reminds me, Is installing the device in every home economically sound?

IIRC, it's only for new construction.

	17-05-2005 18:56									#83
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repeat question.

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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc I don't think people should be forced to pay for the privilege if they don't wish to.

Which is why existing homes aren't forced to have them.

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara You must have missed the "in their right mind" part.

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quote: Originally posted by Az repeat question.

It's not going in every home, only new ones. Are you really gonna quibble over the few doxen to few hundred pounds it's gonna add to your final price tag, especially since you're going to pay for it over 20-30 years?

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If it costs only a couple of hundred pounds, it is economical.

	17-05-2005 19:06									#88
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc I don't think people should be forced to pay for the privilege if they don't wish to.

They can either not buy a new-build house, or request for the fittings to be altered at purchase. No builder in the world would risk losing a sale over changing a set of £50 taps.

	17-05-2005 19:07									#89
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara It's not going in every home, only new ones. Are you really gonna quibble over the few doxen to few hundred pounds it's gonna add to your final price tag, especially since you're going to pay for it over 20-30 years?

The attitude behind this question helps explain why you have constant money problems.

Think about it.

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JohnT, if it is for new builds, the attitude is perfectly acceptable.