16-05-2005 19:43									#1
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john prescot, fresh from producing a leaflet telling people how to deal with hot days at taxpayers expense, has moved on to another vital issue for modern britain, people scalding themselves when taking a bath!

you really couldn't make this stuff up...

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quote: Prescott to ban hot bath By DAVID WOODING Whitehall Editor STEAMING hot baths are to be banned by John Prescott. The Deputy Prime Minister’s nanny state will plumb new depths by controlling the heat of water in our tubs. Mr Prescott has ordered that special taps which limit the temperature are fitted in all homes built from next year. He says the law is “essential” to stop the rising tide of scalding accidents, insisting the new home safety regulations will protect the young, elderly and infirm who fall into piping-hot baths. But the special valves would also stop people topping up with hot water when enjoying a long soak. And residents would be forced to pay for annual inspections to make sure they are working properly. Aides confirmed regulations could be extended to force owners of existing homes to fit the mixer devices. Two Jags’ spokesman said: “The expectation is that temperature controls on taps will happen gradually on a voluntary basis in existing homes. But it is primarily aimed at new homes.” Furious plumbers and the Tories urged Mr Prescott to wash the “crazy” plan down the plughole. Richard Nissen, a London plumber, said: “This is legislation gone mad. It is going to mean a lot of angry customers because of the cost of installing these valves and carrying out the mandatory annual inspections. “You won’t be able to warm up your bath with extra water as the temperature will be regulated by the valve. It’s ludicrous.” Tory chairman Francis Maude quipped: “The idea of John Prescott leaning over anyone’s bath to check the temperature is enough to put people off bathing for life.”

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	16-05-2005 19:49									#2
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Damn.

Always remember that the nine most scary words in the English language are "Hello, I'm from the government. I'm here to help."

	16-05-2005 19:56									#3
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Yes, because children know perfectly well what risk they encounter when they have bathes that are too hot. And if they get scolded, it's their own damn fault

	16-05-2005 19:57									#4
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I guess the brits are getting what they asked for (since y'all just re-elected them).

	16-05-2005 19:58									#5
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I didn't vote for them.

	16-05-2005 19:58									#6
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I also notice the Sun didn't bother to tell what the max temperature is. Is it something like 37C or something like 60C?

	16-05-2005 19:59									#7
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On second thought its not a bad idea in apartments (where the owner couldnt just turn down the hot water temp if they want to )

	16-05-2005 20:01									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Yes, because children know perfectly well what risk they encounter when they have bathes that are too hot.

Parents' responsibility, not the government's. And as for the elderly and infirm, if they're in a state where they're unable to properly control bath water temperature, they shouldn't be in a bathroom unassisted in the first place.

This is one of the stupidest proposals I've ever heard of. Reminds me of the Swedes' legendary prohibitory legislation on just about every aspect of human activity.

	16-05-2005 20:02									#9
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quote: Originally posted by C0ckney nanny state

Haven't you had a nanny state longer than you've been alive?

	16-05-2005 20:04									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Winston Parents' responsibility, not the government's. And as for the elderly and infirm, if they're in a state where they're unable to properly control bath water temperature, they shouldn't be in a bathroom unassisted in the first place. This is one of the stupidest proposals I've ever heard of.

Many children do get scalded by hot water from a tap and in an apartment you wouldnt be able to lower the temp.

	16-05-2005 20:06									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Winston Parents' responsibility, not the government's.

Do you think all health risks encountered by children should be the parent's responsibility instead of the government's?

In the current matter, do you think the parents should watch over their kids' bath until they are sure the kid won't scold himself (like at an age of 10 or something)?

	16-05-2005 20:08									#12
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...Wouldn't be able to lower the temperature!? If it's a tub, where little children are mostly bathed, you could let the water cool off before bathing the child, and if it's a shower (to be honest I never heard of one not being able to regulate the shower temperature), parents should have the common sense to install a faucet that would mix cold water into the bath water. That's what I would do if it were a concern when bathing my child.

	16-05-2005 20:09									#13
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you're suppose to bathe babies? Don't they just groom themsleves, like my cat?

Man, this baby thing is getting harder by the day.

Is it illegal to run with scissors in Britland?

	16-05-2005 20:10									#14
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Parents have prime responsibility for their children's well-being. You don't need the government stepping in on something as mundane as taking a bath for God's sake.

	16-05-2005 20:12									#15
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Believe this story when the full details are in a real news source...

	16-05-2005 20:12									#16
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yeah this sounds too stupid to be real. If some baby gets burned from hot bath, MAYBE it's the parents fault? Maybe they should make it illegal for these kind of parents to have babies, if it happens more than once?

	16-05-2005 20:15									#17
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Pekka: When will Finland start rioting over the British attack on the sauna?

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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Yes, because children know perfectly well what risk they encounter when they have bathes that are too hot. And if they get scolded, it's their own damn fault

yeah, you've got to wonder how humanity survived all this time without controls on bath water...

	16-05-2005 20:18									#19
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Pekka: When will Finland start rioting over the British attack on the sauna?

The Rosbifs can do whatever they want, as long as it's on their own territory.

They'll pry my favourite sauna from my cold, dead hands!

	16-05-2005 20:18									#20
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DD, we don't care... let them have their stupidities. It's not like we are going to be affected by it.

	16-05-2005 20:19									#21
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Remeber this is the sun so most of the concerns are just scaremongering

Whats wrong with limiting tap water to non-dangerous temperatures? I cant really think why you would want dangerously hot water coming out of your tap anyway.

quote: Furious plumbers and the Tories urged Mr Prescott to wash the “crazy” plan down the plughole.

Furious plumbers

	16-05-2005 20:19									#22
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US building codes (or at least CA) require scold protectors on bath tubs... that's the best we can do

	16-05-2005 20:20									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka DD, we don't care... let them have their stupidities. It's not like we are going to be affected by it.

I thought that the sauna was sacred to you people.

	16-05-2005 20:20									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Winston Damn. Always remember that the nine most scary words in the English language are "Hello, I'm from the government. I'm here to help."

Yeah, us Floridians were sure scared when the government showed up to "help" us after the hurricanes lat year.

Dumbass!

As usual, conservatives equate protecting others with protecting you from yourself. This is about making sure that those who rely on others don't get scalded, not so you don't scald yourself.

Yeah, we should let all those babies and people in nursing homes just suffer the consequences of someone else's actions.

More proof conservatives are evil.

	16-05-2005 20:22									#25
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quote: Originally posted by C0ckney yeah, you've got to wonder how humanity survived all this time without controls on bath water...

For most of humanity, hot water isn't an issue.

	16-05-2005 20:23									#26
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quote: Originally posted by C0ckney yeah, you've got to wonder how humanity survived all this time without controls on bath water...

You've got to wonder how mankind survived until the 19th century without police or medicine. Or you have to wonder how mankind survived until the 20th century without regulations on food products.

We could do away with society completely, and we'd survive... in miserable conditions, but we'd remain a viable species.

A law shouldn't be seen in the light of whether it helps us survive or not, but in the light of whether it improves our life. If there actually is a significant amount of children who are scolded by water taps (as SpencerH, a doctor, claims), and if there is an increasing trend (as the politician that started the initiative claims), then I think it's a good idea to try to solve the problem.

	16-05-2005 20:24									#27
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Spiff, it's scAld, not scOld. Scalding is burning with water. Scolding is telling someone off.

	16-05-2005 20:24									#28
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara As usual, conservatives equate protecting others with protecting you from yourself. This is about making sure that those who rely on others don't get scalded, not so you don't scald yourself. Yeah, we should let all those babies and people in nursing homes just suffer the consequences of someone else's actions. More proof conservatives are evil.

	16-05-2005 20:25									#29
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Spiff, it's scAld, not scOld. Scalding is burning with water. Scolding is telling someone off.

	16-05-2005 20:25									#30
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quote: Spiff, it's scAld, not scOld. Scalding is burning with water. Scolding is telling someone off.

I messed it up too... but then I'm American, I'm allowed to butcher the language.