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Lawrence of Arabia is offline Lawrence of Arabia
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so if im a pencil producer, and i work in an assembly line making pencil, your system can guaranttee me all the consumer items that I need unlike the capitalist system:

i can get a nice house
a nice car
a good guitar amp
an ipod
TV, microwave, full kitchen
a waverunner
and plenty of vacation
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Why not?
Lawrence of Arabia is offline Lawrence of Arabia
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chill. then sign me up for the communist system. if my standard of living goes up while at the same time i can quit my shitty minimum wage job and work less, im all for it.
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I don't see your point.

You worry about whether you are guaranteed these things and yet you support capitalism.

Capitalism doesn't guarantee you much other than the right to sell yourself as a prostitute.
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because i worry that communism cannot give me anything. i know im guaranteed something, sometimes a lot, in a capitalist system where i work hard and be smart. but if i can do nothing and are guaranteed all these things, then sign me up.
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quote:
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Capitalism doesn't guarantee you much other than the right to sell yourself as a prostitute.


No system guarantees you squat. Capitalism guarantees that you at least have a chance at getting what you want.
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MichaeltheGreat is offline MichaeltheGreat
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No. You guys keep saying that. Che already made it clear, and I just did, that that's just ridiculous. Needs will be met first, but that doesn't mean that wants wont be met.


The Soviets did a great job of that. Who gets to determine exactly whose wants will get met?

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quote:
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The Soviets did a great job of that. Who gets to determine exactly whose wants will get met?


The working class.
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No system guarantees you squat. Capitalism guarantees that you at least have a chance at getting what you want.


You can be guaranteed a fair share.
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what if you deserve a bigger share than the rest?
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The working class.


ALL of them? So there is a vote whenever someone wants a need met?

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No system guarantees you squat. Capitalism guarantees that you at least have a chance at getting what you want.




Seriously, I nearly spilled coffee over my keyboard when I read that. Are you serious?
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The working class.


Well, how can I count on the ignorant peasant scum to adequately define my wants, let alone provide for them?
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Well, how can I count on the ignorant peasant scum to adequately define my wants, let alone provide for them?


If the working class run things, there'll be a pub on every corner and a gallows opposite.

Happy?

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quote:
Well, how can I count on the ignorant peasant scum to adequately define my wants, let alone provide for them?


If the working class run things, there'll be a pub on every corner and a gallows opposite.

Happy?


That's a good start. I guess the devil's in the details as to who's in the pub and who's on the gallows, though, isn't it?

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That's rich

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Got spare money?

ouch
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quote:
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what if you deserve a bigger share than the rest?


You don't
 
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