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Oerdin
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of Internet Music.
Sep 2001
time: 21:21
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Ask to describe the French and France's neighbors automatically start saying very unkind things. In fact you'd almost think they were talking about Americans but instead it is France. I'm still wondering what someone has to do in order for people in Sweden to think you are immoral since Swedes. 
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Originally Posted by Telegraph
By Henry Samuel in Paris
(Filed: 17/05/2005)
Language, history, cooking and support for rival football teams still divide Europe. But when everything else fails, one glue binds the continent together: hatred of the French.
Typically, the French refuse to accept what arrogant, overbearing monsters they are.
But now after the publication of a survey of their neighbours' opinions of them at least they no longer have any excuse for not knowing how unpopular they are.
Why the French are the worst company on the planet, a wry take on France by two of its citizens, dredges up all the usual evidence against them. They are crazy drivers, strangers to customer service, obsessed by sex and food and devoid of a sense of humour.
But it doesn't stop there, boasting a breakdown, nation by nation, of what in the French irritates them.
Perhaps unsurprisingly, Britons described them as "chauvinists, stubborn, nannied and humourless". However, the French may be more shocked by the views of other nations.
For the Germans, the French are "pretentious, offhand and frivolous". The Dutch describe them as "agitated, talkative and shallow." The Spanish see them as "cold, distant, vain and impolite" and the Portuguese as "preaching". In Italy they comes across as "snobs, arrogant, flesh-loving, righteous and self-obsessed" and the Greeks find them "not very with it, egocentric bons vivants".
Interestingly, the Swedes consider them "disobedient, immoral, disorganised, neo-colonialist and dirty".
But the knockout punch to French pride came in the way the poll was conducted. People were not asked what they hated in the French, just what they thought of them.
"Interviewees were simply asked an open question - what five adjectives sum up the French," said Olivier Clodong, one of the study's two authors and a professor of social and political communication at the Ecole Superieur de Commerce, in Paris. "The answers were overwhelmingly negative."
According to Mr Clodong, the old adage that France is wonderful, it's just the French who are the problem, is shared across Europe.
"We are admired for our trains, the Airbus and Michelin tyres. But the buck stops there," he said.
Another section of the study deals with how the French see the rest of Europe.
"Believe it or not, the English and the French use almost exactly the same adjectives to describe each other - bar the word 'insular'," Mr Coldong said. "So the feelings are mutual." |
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:21
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I don't so much dislike France or the French, but if I had to dig up negativity, I'd point out the same as the Swedes. Then again, us northeners are used to clean everything, so everything away from here is often seen as dirty because it is, disobidient yes yes this is true at least in EU, not well organised, again true but depends who you compare to, and neo-colonialist ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ON THE BUTTON! 
Bravo Swedes.
But I don't dislike France or French. But they are dirty, disorganised, messy, jingoist neo-colonialists and not admitting it but bashing US instead.
it's true.
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Jon Miller
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it's the hatred of close relations
Jon Miller
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CyberShy
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Delft, The Netherlands
Mar 1999
time: 06:21
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Locotus: of course the french have a history in europe, but I mean: modern history has the germans as the evil nation of europe. Not french. But more and more the germans are prefered above the germans. That says much.
I can see reasons against going to war and I can see reasons why people are against Bush.
But in the end Bush had an ideological reason to not go to war. Chiraq had a selfish reason to not support it. Which was mostly because of power-play. Wannabe importance. Popularity, etc.
Well, let me state different. Apart from people's hatred of Bush, I cannot see how Chiraq comes that easily away with his attutide in the discussion.
Or perhaps in a broader range:
- why no demonstrations against Putin in New York, London, Madrid, Paris and Rome?
- why no demonstrations against China in New York, London, .....
- why no demonstrations against french behavior in cote'd ivoire in New York......
or worse:
- why no demonstrations against Kim yon Il?
- why no demonstrations against Saddam Hussein wihle he still reigned?
- where are the anti-bomb-people who lined up in Bagdad to form a human shield against the americans right now? Why no human shield against the terrorists in Bagdad? There are more human shields needed then ever!
That's my point. I can see how people have a problem with Bush and his decisions. (Eventhough I think I can explain and counter those arguments)
But the bush-hatred is really weird compared to all I said above.
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DAVOUT
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AUERSTADT
Jun 2002
time: 05:21
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My European friends have demonstrated an impressing perspicacity ; this portrait is really like me : I am agitated, arrogant, chauvinist, cold, dirty, disobedient, disorganised, distant, egocentric bons vivants, flesh-loving, frivolous, humourless, immoral, impolite, nannied, neo-colonialist, offhand, preaching, pretentious, righteous, self obsessed, shallow, snob, stubborn, talkative and vain.
Although I represent a certain degree of perfection in the French character (partly due to my unlimited modesty and recognised obnoxiousness), my fellows-countrymen are not significantly behind, particularly regarding disobedience, frivolity, improvisation, stubbornness and talkativeness.
That is the reason why I admire and love so much my European friends who suffer none of these flaws.
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DaShi
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The Taste of Japan
Sep 2000
time: 05:21
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quote:
Originally posted by DAVOUT
My European friends have demonstrated an impressing perspicacity ; this portrait is really like me : I am agitated, arrogant, chauvinist, cold, dirty, disobedient, disorganised, distant, egocentric bons vivants, flesh-loving, frivolous, humourless, immoral, impolite, nannied, neo-colonialist, offhand, preaching, pretentious, righteous, self obsessed, shallow, snob, stubborn, talkative and vain.
Although I represent a certain degree of perfection in the French character (partly due to my unlimited modesty and recognised obnoxiousness), my fellows-countrymen are not significantly behind, particularly regarding disobedience, frivolity, improvisation, stubbornness and talkativeness.
That is the reason why I admire and love so much my European friends who suffer none of these flaws. |
Wow! It takes a lot of courage to admit to that.
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Atahualpa
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Hawthrone
Mar 1999
time: 06:21
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quote:
Originally posted by CyberShy
You know what the problem is overhere in europe, just a single example. In europe everybody speaks english but the french. The french think their language is the important language.
When there's a united broadcast like the eurovision songthingy (every year, don't watch it, waste of time)
Everything is declared in English and french!!! WTF! English and French! |
Boy, you haven't come around a lot... Spanish don't speak english, Italians don't speak english. I am here in Spain and I can tell you... FORGET IT! If you just speak english, not even in Granada (with lots of foreign exchange students - the students yes ofc) they will understand you... and I was travelling in Italy and it's amazing how they DON'T speak it! And you know France, Italy and Spain make up a lot of people in Europe.
The french have to bear the scapegoat image here, but it's just not true. Go and ask a German what they think of the British... go and ask anyone what they think of the British... not much more positive responses here either... it's just that the Tommys are not worth caring for because they are on their island and everybody's happy when they stay there.
Or ask a German what they think about the Netherlands, or maybe you know better.. I can't imagine you like the germans very well...
Overall this is just a very shallow piece of getting-what-you-expected research. I wouldn't take it too seriously. There is lots of negativity among european countries...
Last edited by Atahualpa on 18-05-2005 at 13:28
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18-05-2005 10:10
@ the Greek description
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