10-06-2005 04:37									#211
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara The MAS better get with the protesters fast, but like most Mensheviks, they will side with capital when push comes to shove.

Yep. They ought to be pilloried for what they've done.

	10-06-2005 04:38									#212
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara it was unintentional, though now that I think about it, it is funny.

Yeah!! Feyenoord all the way baby!!!!

	10-06-2005 04:40									#213
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quote: Very likely. This presents a great danger to the revolution, since Bush will likely use it as an excuse to invade.

Who was that guy who called for 1000 Vietnams?

	10-06-2005 04:47									#214
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Yep. They ought to be pilloried for what they've done.

Let's not forget the Bolsheviks originally opposed Lenin's call for revolution. If there's a Bolivian Lenin (and I don't think there is), the MAS could radicalize. I'm sure their youth are already doing so. Look for a split in the MAS.

	10-06-2005 04:48									#215
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon quote: Very likely. This presents a great danger to the revolution, since Bush will likely use it as an excuse to invade. Who was that guy who called for 1000 Vietnams?

He's dead, Jim.

	10-06-2005 04:51									#216
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quote: Congress Session Fails – More Rumors of a Coup Here is what we know. Congress has abandoned its plans for meeting. Members are stuck in their hotels and other locations in Sucre where miners and other protesters have blocked access to the airport. There are reports of troop movements in Santa Cruz and a strong belief among reliable sources here that a coup of some kind is possible tonight. We will do our best to keep you updated as things develop.

http://www.democracyctr.org/blog/20...-rumors-of.html

Jesus... a coup.

Well those rich people love to kill others so that they can keep their widgets.

	10-06-2005 04:51									#217
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Blogs are grate@@!!! down with the mainstream useless bastardos!!!!

	10-06-2005 04:53									#218
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Is anyone speaking of invading Chile again, yet?

	10-06-2005 04:56									#220
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist Is anyone speaking of invading Chile again, yet?

I don't know. I haven't seen Ned lately.

	10-06-2005 04:57									#221
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Aren't you gleeful when a group of unrepresentative swill like the Bolivian establishment get their comeuppance.

I know I am.

	10-06-2005 04:58									#222
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If this goes through it will be almost as much fun as the Chavez referendum thread.

	10-06-2005 04:59									#223
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara

As I suppose you know, Bolivia's never forgiven Chile for conquering their Pacific coast back in 1878 (I might misremember the exact year - too lazy to check). After Chile cancelled negotiations for a "sovereign" Bolivian rail link to the coast thru Chilean territory last year, some hotheads called for retaking the place by force.

Chile's military budget is ten times Bolivia's.

	10-06-2005 05:02									#224
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Bush things Chile is something you buy at Wendy's.

	10-06-2005 05:05									#225
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Bush things Chile is something you buy at Wendy's.

If they invade, it's possible that someone would be quick enough to take him out of that misconception before the Chileans pwnz the sorry asses of the Bolivian army. (And navy. They've got one, believe it or not.)

	10-06-2005 05:06									#226
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist If they invade, it's possible that someone would be quick enough to take him out of that misconception before the Chileans pwnz the sorry asses of the Bolivian army. (And navy. They've got one, believe it or not.)

Bolivia's landlocked

	10-06-2005 05:09									#227
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Bolivia's landlocked

It operates on lake Titicaca. (Don't ask me why. Near as I know, Peru is the only neighbour that hasn't beaten up Bolivia.)

	10-06-2005 05:17									#228
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist It operates on lake Titicaca. (Don't ask me why. Near as I know, Peru is the only neighbour that hasn't beaten up Bolivia.)

Nope, that's not true.

	10-06-2005 05:19									#229
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Nope, that's not true.

Care to offer a bit of detail? Like, what's not true?

	10-06-2005 05:20									#230
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Peru has beaten up on Bolivia. Note the old borders. (As an aside, Peru lost it's southern tail to Chile in the War of the Pacific, also).

Last edited by chegitz guevara on 10-06-2005 at 05:27

	10-06-2005 05:29									#231
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Why the Eytie flag Che?

	10-06-2005 06:22									#232
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This is freakin' bizarre. The protestors trust the government enough to keep the natural gas flowing, even though it isn't competent to pick up the trash?

	10-06-2005 06:28									#233
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Nobody wanted to take a stab at answering the question I posted a couple pages ago, eh?

*shrug*

Not entirely unexpected I guess.

Enjoy your rabble rousing then.

-=Vel=-

	10-06-2005 06:37									#234
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Why the Eytie flag Che?

Cuz I'm a quarter Italian.

	10-06-2005 06:43									#235
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It's a valid question, Vel. You're absolutely right, chances are, it's going to end in failure. Doesn't mean we can't have hope that it will turn out some other way.

Notice that the movement isn't being led by a communist organization, but by the workers and peasants themselves, though I'm sure that many of the leaders are communists of some sort. I don't know what that says.

In the past, the workers and peasants overthrew the governent and successfully established a democracy that lasted 12 years before the military overthrew it, so there is historical precident for things to turn out okay, at least for a little while. We also have the precident of Nicaragua.

	10-06-2005 13:32									#236
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Yep, and inflation got worse.

Duh! When prices were kept artificially low they will rise back to the market rate when the artifical constraints are removed. That doesn't mean it wasn't a good move since NEW City and other big American cities were experiencing a wave of properties becoming slums. Property taxes and other costs kept rising at market rates yet all rents were frozen so landlords stopped putting money into apartment blocks. We're talking about everything from lightbulbs not being changed to major plumming problems not being fixed because economically landlords couldn't afford to do so.

If you **** with the market then in the end the market ****s you back. It's better to just let the market run its course and regulate to take off the rough edges.

	10-06-2005 15:07									#237
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Congress has appointed Eduardo Rodriguez, chairman of the Supreme Court, to interim president till new elections are held. Díez evidently amassed enough sense to decline.

	10-06-2005 18:29									#238
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist Congress has appointed Eduardo Rodriguez, chairman of the Supreme Court, to interim president till new elections are held. Díez evidently amassed enough sense to decline.

ive seen reports of continued violence in La Paz, including one death.

	10-06-2005 21:41									#239
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin It's better to just let the market run its course and regulate to take off the rough edges.

Like double digit inflation? That's nuts. Markets don't **** with people. They just **** up. So you fix them. Period.

	10-06-2005 21:45									#240
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin If you **** with the market then in the end the market ****s you back. It's better to just let the market run its course and regulate to take off the rough edges.

A pity that the lesson of 20th century economics has been the opposite of this. Dear me... where did you learn this stuff?