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Sep 2002
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I think MMI was the only they lacked. check 2187

If I were Spartan there, I would build airbase near Fort Sol. They might construct it in several turns.

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Or even better, airdrop a colony pod on our turf... we need to think of that possibility. Was upgrading in the workshop allowed in this game? If so, they could have airdropped one in their turn, protect it with those rovers and move a bunch of bombers over, while the tactical fighters are now in the air on there way to a new base next turn.

But that's only possible if they finished producing a cp in Fort Sol last turn, for we didn't spot any in the base during our scoutrun.

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Geo, I know. But I think they are more surprised here. If you read their posts, many Spartans are surprised, or seem that way.

They could in fact attempt to drop a colony pod this turn. In 2189 they would establish a base, but then planes would land there. They would be ready for action in 2190. However, any drop units they could place this turn could be used for drop operations in 2189. So in theory, if that drop establishe base was close enough to Fungal heights, they could take over HSA. But it is too far I think. If we complete Mayhem in 2190, they will be too late.

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Sep 2002
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Was upgrading in the workshop allowed in this game?

Yes. This is how Spartans could attack Morgan Industries, if you remember.

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Sep 2002
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Gaians have the turn. They can right away see if Spartans are building HSA. We could ask Chaos Theory.

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  Old Post 21-09-2005 18:56
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Please do, if they're willing. A bit advanced warning would do me good right now.

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Sep 2002
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In their situation I would have chosen infiltration.

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I bet they have it as well. 2 probes, remember?

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Sep 2002
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And this is something I did not expect. Answer from Chaos Theory:
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Yes, but you may not care - you lost half your cities. I'm compiling more detailed information right now.

And they might have PSA possibly some turns back? Or just discovered it in 2188?
We completely lost here. With Spartans having HSA their advantage is too large. They will have Fusion before Gaians and Morganities. Spartans won this game already in my oppinion.

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Blast , doesn't sound good at all. It is/ is it possible we haven't discovered PSA thru destruction of bases?

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I do not think so. We lacked 109 labs. I set them for like 180 last turn.

Hercules or Geo, please take over the turnplaying. I do not think, I can lead DA at this time. I may do some analysis, but operations should do someone else.

And I would send Morganities all 4 promissed techs + PSA

PSA + Cyberethics to Gaians. Let us have Orbital Spaceflight ASAP.

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Btw I have no regrets being a Datajack. This is a tough faction to play and I don't think our location did us any favours.

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wait,so CT says we lost even more cities beyond what we destroyed?

of course gaians cant know if we killed them or spartans captured them...

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did he say wether sparta has HSA being built or not?

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Yes, Spartans are building HSA

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Then they didn't steal it from us. However they may have been one turn from discovering something else and got MMI from us to enable the switch.

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Sep 2002
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Now I see the mistake.
The 2 F-6 should be placed in the air on the 2 sea tiles next to Mart Pact.

This is a lesson for future. Coastal bases are vulerable for attack from the sea, so what you do is block sea tiles as best as you can. This mistake allowed Spartans to get HSA.

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actually i think sparta have been using a univeristy trick,of gifting them all their techs so they can advance at a higer rate.i used it in a game recently-works super.

unless they used a probe foil.

mart,we didnt have any time to do that.we only knew the attack was there the turn it hit

although 4 f6 would have kept the base safe,by alternating i suppose

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Yes, Cataphract, The 2 F-6 from EM I placed in MP should be for this single turn in the air above the MP Bay. That's it. And we really needed 4 fighters for alternating patrols. Tacticals are very useful here. Expensive though. Old dilema.

One more example, that energy is everything. F-4 fighters cost like 3 rows. Then you upgrade them to top F-6. You need though good economy.

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well i do it in SP vs impossiblly strong AI

but i hadnt ever faced a coordinated assault before--not like this--so i am only realizing how to do things after the fact here

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Hercules or Geo, please take over the turnplaying. I do not think, I can lead DA at this time. I may do some analysis, but operations should do someone else.


I have no reason anymore to keep the faction alive. Do you want to halt operation Mayhem now?

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Hercules thought about continuing. And I think, if this is the wish of a single member of the faction, a Dictatorship should be established here.

In the light of recent events, that Spartans have HSA (or actually complete it in 2189) there is no good point in destroying the remaining bases. They have PSA anyway. However, Orbital Spaceflight or Fusion Power might be taken by them through Planetary Datalinks. I would rather let Gaians to take over our bases. They may build drop units, drop take over FH, Gemka's Loft, then the remaining ones. This should boost Gaians.

Any thoughts?

It would be kinda like CyCon took over PUT, with this difference, Gaian Union would actually take over the bases.

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Isn't that bending the rules?

But sorry, I have no intention to go through a rearguard war a second time. Not worth the effort for me.

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Bending the rules?

Is it prohibited? Then Dictatorship is a good solution. We nominate e.g. General Hercules the sole faction leader and only authority with unlimited powers over the DA.

Leading vendetta should be easier that way, not to mention game would proceed faster. If I were to propose anything, however, would be "No agreement with Spartans" policy. No chance for any benefits from DA.

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Then a question to remaining members of Data Angels Faction. Since we have recently only 5 active members.

What to do?

Hercules
Possibly play further.

GeoModder
Cease faction.

ForesterSOF
Play to the end after giving everthing we can to M and G.

Cataphract887
Possibly play further.

Mart7x5
Cease faction. Transfer all remaining units to Gaians. Transfer all technologies to either Morganities or Gaians.

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if i can have the forum to myself ill take the faction for a 20 turn spin

we are toasted. and behind even before the attack

put me down as ''possibly play further'' till we get the sav

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Play to the end after giving everthing we can to M and G.

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Looks like forum will be still up, together with the faction. Unless Spartans do a quick takeover of DA in 2 turns or something, but I daubt. They already took everything they could. I suspect Spartan economy to be finelly tuned, so it is better than Gaian. Spartan will have Fusion Power very soon, and you know what it does to needlejet costs.
I wonder if they first take over the Hive or our DA?

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Ok, I feel like a moment of truth.

Am I right that we were never for a single turn in Free Market?

What were we thinking? We lost PEG by one turn. We lost HSA by one turn. I have a feeling, that in FM our economy and tech rate would be at least somewhat faster and possibly we might not loose both SP.

Any thoughts?

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Yep, we never ran FM.

But with FM we couldn't have scouted for incoming units either.

 
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