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mart7x5 is offline mart7x5
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Sep 2002
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Ok, I checked this issue and the following will be transferred to Gaians:
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Lord BinTravkin,

As you are able to confirm from our databanks, we will complete research on Presentient Algorythms in 2189, which is one turn after you will have researched Centauri Meditation in 2188. For this reason, we will have a gap of 2 turns, since we are after you in turn order. There is although a solution to this problem:

If Gaian Union in 2188 chooses Cyberethics as the next research technology, after receiving from us:
- Cyberethics
- Presentient Algorythms
forwarded from us in 2189 and received by you in 2190, Gaian Union will be able to switch the research effort without loss of lab points in 2190 to Orbital Spaceflight.

Please confirm our analysis, so there is no error in our plan.

Sincerely,
Data Angels
IT Mart

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Yeah, there's no way we can hasten our research. I tried.

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  Old Post 08-09-2005 03:49
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Yes do so. We still are oK and on target for exchange of tech laden units.

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  Old Post 08-09-2005 18:47
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who is handling morgan relations?nobody?

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  Old Post 08-09-2005 19:21
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As far as I'm aware, no. Interested?

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  Old Post 08-09-2005 20:01
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what do i do? deliver the standard ''our words are backed by nuclear weapons'' line,chat and talk about techs?

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We could always ask them how theire plans of economic conquest is doing.

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  Old Post 08-09-2005 20:56
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Check the turn thread, Mart and Herc want to start tech trade negotiations.

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In response to the communiqué by IT Mart

1) The flawed logic and mathematics in your communiqué may indicate why the Angel economy is performing so poorly compared to the Spartan one. The annual interest rate of the loan in question is 82/118, divided by 100 = 0.69%. This is ridicously low. By comparison, a common practice such as harvesting a forest with a supply crawler returns an annual profit of 6.7% on the investment. Almost ten times higher. Why, if the Angels believe a 0.69% interest rate is very high, the Federation would be more than happy to lend money from you after this matter has been arranged.

2) We are not asking for any money to be transferred to the Federation. We are asking for the credits to be returned to Minerva Bank - with headquarters in the University Protectorate - from which the money was fraudulously obtained.

Sincerely,
Pedro 'Maniac' Riveira
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118 x 1.66...... = 196

This formula tells me a 66% above cost increase is wanted.

Although our estamate is closer....................

What S is saying is 118 x 1.0069 = 200 when in reality it is 118.814.

Maybe we should agree to their math and pay 118 x .69% to them.

Or better yet 82 x .69% = 82.5658 at a ridiculously slow rate so when vendeta starts the loan is killed.

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Nah, they want us to pay off the loan at once.

Our best shot would be to... internationally... settle the case once and for all whether the Uni is to be considered an independent nation, or at least try to start such a case, and meanwhile do our thing.

An option is to try trading techs with Zak just before we probe rape Yang. Even if they have infiltration on us, they could never tell how we received all of these techs. As I see it, we could get 4 probe operations (at least) out of the Hive: 3 foils and at least 1 probe ready on the border to infiltrate Yang Mine. If we can get for instance Doc:Init from Zak.

We could even try to buy a tech or two from Zak, make him declare war on us and state to the Spartans that we paid the (original) amount back with a small sum extra for the trouble.

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We could even try to buy a tech or two from Zak, make him declare war on us and state to the Spartans that we paid the (original) amount back with a small sum extra for the trouble.




so if i was the diplomat to morgan i would say something like this->>>>>
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To Morganites

The DataAngel's would like to know if you are interested in a technology exchange. We can offer Advanced Military Algorithms, in exchange for an apropiately valuable technology of your own.

Cataphract887
Morganite Ambassador

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and who would i say it to?

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Good message. AndiD still seems to be their turnplayer. Perhaps (if a quorum YEA's are posted here) it can be sent to him.

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Last I knew paramir was incharge of dip relations.

That was like 20 turns ago though.

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No Andid is the main player.

And yes send it.

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But the reply shouldn't hold up the game this turn.

Obviously AV and some Hybrid and the Supercollider have boosted Spartan research capability.

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edit; defnitly at the research getting boosted...to bad cloudbase isnt allowed,that could make things feel more even around here...

sent it

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We need from the Gaians some answers.

Do the Spartans have Bio Engineering?
If yes, then simply send us the Bio Engineering.
If No, then lets continue the unit exchange.

re the Unit exchange, do they understand the problems?

I wonder did they test with the Spartans, the share tech Bio-Eng, option last turn to check if Spartans had it or not.

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Re Spartans and University Loan.

I think that first we might negotiate the return of the loan in some decent time, so the investment benefit is not like 82 EC/5 turns = 16.4 %. If they claim 6.7% is the good one, then we might return the loan in 10 turns, not now. Let us continue negotiations still.
I would ask for mediation of someone from the Morgan Industries, as Cataphract proposes. After all they are "economy guys" here.
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I asked BinT for Bioengineering, if Spartans have it.

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How can we return a loan in a shorter number of turns to Zakharov?
As far as I know, it's either the full amount in one time, or the normal payoff for 100 turns.

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It is "full", means the balance. The point is that after lending us like 118 EC, Zakharov would get all 20 (paid every turn) + 180 = 200 EC after 10 turns. Thus total return would be around 6.9 % turn.

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Ok, if you say so. If we can avoid an assault with it, I'm happy.

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I hope Gaians respond in time.

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Just a general note here, after I thought over some recent finds from Fort Sol scouting.

We may politically use the fact that Spartans attacked Peacekeepers without a legitimate reason. Although we were silent when Spartans did the stuff, still Lal concluded that he was not an attacker, but Spartans declared vendetta, if you remember. We may use it on interfactional forum to press Spartans.

Also, as Geo proposes we might initiate discussion pertaining to issue of wether University is sovereign state or not.

any thoughts?

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Get money from Morgan if needed.

Pay off debt as slow as posible.

Yes; use all those cards against Spartans to slow things as much as posible.

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no response from andid but the real reason of my post;

whats the implications of a newer player posting the sav for sparta? or what i assume is newer

spartan leadership to busy drinking to victory to play?

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I think the "implication" is that it was a new players' turn. The same thing will happen with us in only a few turns as well.

Mart, good idea on the legitimate thing regarding Lal. But I suggest drawing warplans as well then, together with Morgans and Gaians, to prepare a simultaneous attack on Sparta. Perhaps we could call it The Coalition of the Willing.
I also suggest as you proposed before, if things go well, to "liberate" Lal from imprisonment and give back those bases to him. Our turn to have a loyal vasal if successful.

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I only wonder how Morganities would respond to it. When they were shouting for help, when their Headquarters base was destroyed, we were relaxed. Their response might be somewhat cold.

Talks about Lal would be more diplomatic "filler". I would not be surprised if Lal was lying. AI does that on ocasion. But Spartans might explain. I would be still cautious with any also diplomatic moves that might be seen as hostile to Spartans. Let us not forget, we know little about them. We know, our military is in "childhood" now.

I also thought about actual intentional liberation of Lal. If talks pertaining to recreation of UN Authority on the Planet would succseed, then some faction (DA, Gaians or Morganities) might do the action with even help of CMNs. Just an idea, but nice roleplay to it. Then Spartan bases that were PK before would be transferred to him.

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Well, perhaps getting pacted with the Morgans first would be necessary.

We'll see how they respond on our latest request for a techtrade, it will tell how they stand regarding us.

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well pm tracking shows andid did read it,so if continued silence today,when they play their turn,,we will know just how frosty things are

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