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Schiavo's Brain Was Severely Deteriorated, Autopsy Says
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: June 15, 2005

Filed at 11:29 a.m. ET

LARGO, Fla. (AP) -- Terri Schiavo did not suffer any trauma prior to her 1990 collapse and her brain was about half of normal size when she died, according to results released Wednesday of an autopsy conducted on the severely brain-damaged woman.

Pinellas-Pasco Medical Examiner Jon Thogmartin concluded that there was no evidence of strangulation or other trauma leading to her collapse. He also said she did not appear to have suffered a heart attack and there was no evidence that she was given harmful drugs or other substances prior to her death.

Autopsy results on the 41-year-old brain damaged woman were made public Wednesday, more than two months after Schiavo's death ended an internationally watched right-to-die battle that engulfed the courts, Congress and the White House and divided the country.

She died from dehydration, he said.

He said she would not have been able to eat or drink if she had been given food by mouth as her parents' requested.

''Removal of her feeding tube would have resulted in her death whether she was fed or hydrated by mouth or not,'' Thogmartin told reporters.

Thogmartin said that Schiavo's brain was about half of its expected size when she died March 31 in a Pinellas Park hospice, 13 days after her feeding tube was removed.

''The brain weighed 615 grams, roughly half of the expected weight of a human brain. ... This damage was irreversible, and no amount of therapy or treatment would have regenerated the massive loss of neurons.''


Will this end the debate?

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to paraphrase GePap


I dont really care.

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GePap, WHY?! We've had enough schiavo for an entire forum.

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GePap, WHY?! We've had enough schiavo for an entire forum.


Because this is the end of the issue, where the truth is revealed.

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I'm afraid the people who made a circus of this woman's final wish being carried out weren't interested in the truth.

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The one thing you should know GePap, is that there is no end to this issue.

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This isn't telling us which parts of her brain were gone or not. If half her cerebral cortex were still intact, she could have functioned. I'm guessing it was her cerebellum and medulla that were there and her cerebral cortex was almost all gone.

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Those doctors are obviously evil liberals who hate life.

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This isn't telling us which parts of her brain were gone or not. If half her cerebral cortex were still intact, she could have functioned. I'm guessing it was her cerebellum and medulla that were there and her cerebral cortex was almost all gone.


Well, the cortex is the half of the brain you can lose without losing the ability of your body to continue.

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Where is Ned who said the autopsy results would have SHOCKING results that the husband killed Terry?

Seems to show that her husband was right and that she never would have gotten better.

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No, no - if the family had prayed and put their entire trust in God here could have been a MIRACLE and she could have recovered functionality. (note - I actually heard that argument in a I believe 60 minutes interview with parents whose 2 year old child had severe microcephaly - essentially less brain than Schiavo had - and had cost taxpayers I believe it was 2 million dollars, seeing as they were on medicaid. That's why Governor Bush signed a law letting the state force people like Schiavo to be unplugged if the state is paying for it).

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Uh, is that the same reason why Gov. Bush originally signed Terri's law saying her life should be preserved, especially because she is in the care of the state?

What you are saying here, is that if people cost the state too much money they should be killed. In Terri's case, that wasn't the issue because her parents loved her and wanted to take care of her, but her husband would not let them do so.

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dammit, I wanted to be the first one to report this.

As usual, we were right, and right wingers were wrong.

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As usual???

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News headline at some point in future after Bush's death:

Bush's brain autospy reveals deformities.

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They sure took their time with that report.

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Uh, is that the same reason why Gov. Bush originally signed Terri's law saying her life should be preserved, especially because she is in the care of the state?


You do realize there has been more than one Governor Bush in the U.S. in the past ten years, don't you? President Bush, former governor of Texas, signed the law shawnmmcc is writing about.


BTW, the autopsy also showed that Mrs Schiavo was blind. Not only was she irrecoverable, but the family was lying about Mrs. Schiavo's responses.

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Uh, is that the same reason why Gov. Bush originally signed Terri's law saying her life should be preserved, especially because she is in the care of the state?

What you are saying here, is that if people cost the state too much money they should be killed.


If they're not concious, not curable, not treatable, and have no functions which indicate any level of awareness or higher (non-autonomic) brain function, then no, the state shouldn't be obligated to spend money to artificially preserve some limited body functions.

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In Terri's case, that wasn't the issue because her parents loved her and wanted to take care of her, but her husband would not let them do so.


Her parents had an obsessive inability to let go, coupled with a disregard for whether she had any prospects of even the slightest improvement, or whether she could experience more than an automatic pain reflex.

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I'm sure we will have religious fundimentalists claiming that just because the part of her brain which processes sight was gone doesn't mean she couldn't see. Those brain damaged idiots always come up with the the most nonintelligable drivil.

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BTW, the autopsy also showed that Mrs Schiavo was blind. Not only was she irrecoverable, but the family was lying about Mrs. Schiavo's responses.


I rather doubt they were "lying" as much as obsessively delusional.

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You do realize there has been more than one Governor Bush in the U.S. in the past ten years, don't you? President Bush, former governor of Texas, signed the law shawnmmcc is writing about.


Since the thread is about a case in Florida, in which Jeb Bush was very directly and very prominently involved, if shawnmmcc was writing about George W. Bush it would have been polite of him to mention it.

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I rather doubt they were "lying" as much as obsessively delusional.


You say tomato, I say they were manipulative, lying bastards.

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If the brain was gone then there is zero chance to recover. The autopsy backs this up.

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Since the thread is about a case in Florida, in which Jeb Bush was very directly and very prominently involved, if shawnmmcc was writing about George W. Bush it would have been polite of him to mention it.


I agree, and at first glance, I was inclined to think Ben was actually correct for once. Then I remembered.

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the brain was only half gone.

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She must have been a Republican.

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Nono, half of the brain was still there...you pessimist, you!!

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Pfft, as if right-wingers care what science has to say about anything. Science is a tool of the evil liberal elite to make everyone atheist communists, don't you know?

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You say tomato, I say they were manipulative, lying bastards.


And that reflects your ideological or personal view of them, rather than any evidence one way or another.

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It reflects their actions. I agreed with you at first, then they started the character assassination of Mr. Schaivo, saying he beat and abused her and probably tried murder her. That's when my opinion changed.

 
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