20-06-2005 07:09									#31
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I would still fumble (and have every time..) and I am 24

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	20-06-2005 07:09									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Timexwatch She slept in your bed and nothing happened at all?

It happens lots. I used to have all kinds of women friends who'd crash in my bed. Of course, I was a total wuss then.

	20-06-2005 07:10									#33
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space you better act quickly or she's going to give up on you.

	20-06-2005 07:11									#34
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I've slept with a couple of friends who are girls before too and we all really did just sleep. Though they'd often complain I snored.

Last edited by Oerdin on 20-06-2005 at 07:21

	20-06-2005 07:20									#35
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Alright Space this is what you do. Don't go around acting like a teenager and asking her if she likes you or other dumb crap. Call the lady, invite her out for coffee, then go for a walk. A park, museums, or even just window shopping in the artsy part of town will do for the walk. Act like her boyfriend by smiling at her, opening doors for her, give her a compliment or two (don't over do it), find an excuse to touch her innocently (if she's wearing a ring hold her hand lightly and tell her its a nioce design & be specific like I like the color or the engraving etc.. Failing that gently put your hand on her back when you're helping her through a crowded restaurant or something), be fun & spontanious once during the "date" by suggesting you should play in a fountain or climb a tree or roll down a hill or SOMETHING so it's fun, memorable and different. At the end offer to walk her home and tell her you had fun. If you've know this girl well and have been out with her multiple times then tell her you always have fun when you're with her.

You're goal is to act like a boyfriend so you can move out of the friends zone before you are stuck there forever. This will give you the best chance of doing that.

	20-06-2005 07:26									#36
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He's already stuck there. Time to move on.

	20-06-2005 07:28									#37
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I have two questions...

First off, how do we know the ladies here are giving the advice?

Second, if you want to ever get rid of a girl, have her visit your parents...or even worse, go visit her parents...

	20-06-2005 07:30									#38
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When a woman wants to be friends, she basically considers you unworthy for procreation. If she loves cuddles and unloading her gossip on you, that means she is just using you. There is no mystery behind such behaviour.

If a woman is interested in you sexually, she will let you know. Prolonged kissing for example is a good indication to move to the next base. But if it is just cuddles in bed, you don't stand a chance. Please ignore all the advice that suggests you should make a move.

	20-06-2005 07:38									#39
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Face it, she thinks you're gay.

	20-06-2005 10:12									#40
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first off... just because she wants to be friends
does not mean shes not interested in you.
maybe shes just not into casual sex.
maybe she wants to get to know you first.
be friends first...

what a concept... some men just don't get it...
some women like the cart before the horse ride.

its nice she likes you for you.. and not for your sex.
a rare woman that maybe likes to take a relationship
in a slower form.

do nothing.. just enjoy the friendship.
if your not involved with anyone else.
just take your time.. see how it unfolds.

	20-06-2005 10:15									#41
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Originally posted by Bkeela
When a woman wants to be friends, she basically considers you unworthy for procreation. If she loves cuddles and unloading her gossip on you, that means she is just using you. There is no mystery behind such behaviour.



this is so full of crap...
not true... and offensive...
it totally depends on the length of time we are talking about here... after a year.. and shes shown no sexual interest then ok.. shes not into you...
but just because a woman doesn't fall into bed in the first month doesn't mean anything...
maybe shes just trying to get to know you..

	20-06-2005 10:16									#42
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Google the "Ladder Theory"

	20-06-2005 10:17									#43
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quote: When a woman wants to be friends, she basically considers you unworthy for procreation. If she loves cuddles and unloading her gossip on you, that means she is just using you. There is no mystery behind such behaviour.

ladder, ladder, ladder, ladder...


gooooooo... ladder!

	20-06-2005 10:23									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Google the "Ladder Theory"

The ladder theory is a pop psychology explanation by writer Dallas Lynn of the ways in which men and women evaluate potential sexual partners and platonic friends of the opposite sex, popularized on an Internet website. Though it has generated some interest in online communities, it has not been evaluated by any studies, journals, or social psychologists.

The ladder theory actually began as satire (and still retains some of its humorous nature). It has evolved into an actual theory that adherents believe to be a very close approximation to real life interactions between men and women. Although presented as a general theory, the practical effect is chiefly intended for young, single men who feel afflicted by nice guy syndrome and trapped in the friend zone. These men are advised to re-evaluate their focus on women who see them only as friends.

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and im supposed to take seriously something posted at
intellectualwhores.com ?

"it has not been evaluated by any studies, journals, or social psychologists."

its a "satire"

satire: NOUN: 1a. A literary work in which human vice or folly is attacked through irony, derision, or wit.

	20-06-2005 11:24									#45
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Ladder Theory is taught in some schools but mostly it is pop psychology. Still it does explain a few simple phenomenon until you look closely at it. Mostly it seems to be popular with guys who can't get laid because they can claim women are just vain gold diggers who want rich men instead of guys who care about them; you know guys like them. It’s a way for these lonely men to make themselves feel better as they jerk themselves off before going to sleep.

It is right about how everyone ranks everyone else they meet even if they don't know it but the rankings seem to be more fluid then ladder allows. I also like how ladder explains power level differences in a relationship and why some women stick with a cheating husband while some men let themselves be doormates for women but ladder does a horrible job of anything but a very simple situation. Introduce to many variables and ladder breaks down completely.

Last edited by Oerdin on 20-06-2005 at 13:13

	20-06-2005 12:07									#46
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quote: first off... just because she wants to be friends does not mean shes not interested in you. maybe shes just not into casual sex. maybe she wants to get to know you first. be friends first... what a concept... some men just don't get it... some women like the cart before the horse ride. its nice she likes you for you.. and not for your sex. a rare woman that maybe likes to take a relationship in a slower form.

Wait, so, cuddling in the GUY'S BED is taking it slower than a kiss? WTF? And how does a kiss = sex anyway? I mean she slept in his bed. That does not seem like a 'slower form' relationship if she actually is interested in him.

Anyway, space is becoming our new Albert Speer it seems.

	20-06-2005 12:16									#47
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One of three things is occuring here. Either she's interested and is trying to drop hints, she wants him to be her cuddle ***** who she gets to unload on until it is time to go **** the other guy, or she's confused and doesn't know what she wants. The actions I outlined earlier will at least let you figure out which it is and move things in the right direction.

BTW, based purely on what he's written I'm voting for the she wants a male friend/cuddle *****, but, doesn't want to actually have sex with him. Though she could be playing hot and cold so he knows she's interested but doesn't want to appear slutty or desperate by simply stripping down and ****ing the **** out of him. Most girls want the guy to take the lead anyway so you're actions would still be the same.

	20-06-2005 13:05									#48
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why is this so hard for you guys to understand.
EVERY THING IS NOT ABOUT SEX

	20-06-2005 13:07									#49
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^ and that is why women will never understand men.

	20-06-2005 13:11									#50
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quote: Originally posted by boann why is this so hard for you guys to understand. EVERY THING IS NOT ABOUT SEX

A Cuddle Biatch doesn't get any sex. That's the defining feature of the Cuddle Biatch so sex isn't involved there while the she's confused/hasn't made up her mind catagory would also not involve sex. I thought we covered this.

	20-06-2005 13:23									#51
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Oerdin, that's all women think about these days: sex, sex, sex

	20-06-2005 13:38									#52
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"why is this so hard for you guys to understand.
EVERY THING IS NOT ABOUT SEX"

Ha! I knew it!

	20-06-2005 13:46									#53
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quote: Originally posted by boann EVERY THING IS NOT ABOUT SEX

funny way of putting it...

	20-06-2005 13:54									#54
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quote: EVERY THING IS NOT ABOUT SEX

wait, so nothing is about sex?

	20-06-2005 13:54									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer Slap her buttocks first.

Ass slapping has its hazards.

http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=378

	20-06-2005 14:18									#56
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see, pekka, you should've punched her in the face.

	20-06-2005 16:08									#57
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quote: Originally posted by boann why is this so hard for you guys to understand. EVERY THING IS NOT ABOUT SEX

It's not

	20-06-2005 16:19									#58
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quote: Originally posted by boann why is this so hard for you guys to understand. EVERY THING IS NOT ABOUT SEX

IOW, she does only want to use him.

	20-06-2005 16:20									#59
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Oerdin summed up the 3 possibles here pretty good.

Space,

If things don't work out, you can always hit on her friends.

	20-06-2005 16:33									#60
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sex is overrated anyways......sorry tried to say it with a straight face...

but i do agree with boann on this one...(does this mean i am gay or metrosexual?)

and what is wrong with a girl that wants a male friends were she can unload and tell gossip too....to her girlfriends you become a guy that can be trusted and if you can handle your self confidently with a friend that is a girl other women will notice you a lot sooner...

i never minded it...because they always help me hook up with her hot girlfriends..