21-06-2005 02:35									#121
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Imran on the metaphysics of cuddling.

yes lets put a timer by the bed and make sure we don't go over our 10 min mark

	21-06-2005 02:39									#122
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski First off nobody has mentioned spooning as cuddling. Second if you have known the guy for a long time whats wrong with that. Third it could be the girl just needs and wants to be held and not screwed for once. If space is unvcomfortable then he needs to speak up if not and is ok with "cuddling" with out the boner then why should he not comfort this girl??? I am sure most of you guys think she is playing a game but in reality she enjoys his company and is a bit on the touchy feely side.

perfect

he did say her last relationship ended sour.
i think thats the way he put it..
anyway.. maybe shes just still hurting
and isn't ready for anything more yet.

	21-06-2005 02:40									#123
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Sounds to me like she doesn't want a 'relationship' so is sticking to the just friends line because she likes you and values you as a friend.

But all the physical stuff.....implies she wouldnt mind sex with her 'just friend'. Or at least thats what it implies when I am in bed with male friends.

It is possible to have a brilliant and fulfilling friendship with casual sex on the side, avoiding any of the relationship pitfalls that may have hurt her in the past.

	21-06-2005 02:46									#124
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quote: Originally posted by Space05us She insists we're just friends. Why does she call out of nowhere to talk about nothing? Why does she cuddle with me in my bed after work? She even waited almost 2 hours after she got off just to give me a ride home last night, and stayed out an hour longer than usual. She usually gets home by 1 at the latest, last night she stayed until almost 2:30. Not that I mind, Im just confused. This is not normal friend stuff, is it?

Get yourself out of this situation ASAP. She most likely is just using you for emotional comfort.

Is she pretty and/or popular? If so, she probably knows she can treat men like garbage and get away with it.

	21-06-2005 03:07									#125
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Space, do you know why so many women complain that there aren't any nice guys?

Because there aren't any nice guys any more. Women bred that out of us 100 000 years ago.

Now start sticking up for yourself and bury your hatchet in her...

	21-06-2005 03:09									#126
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What makes you think there ever was any nice guys?

	21-06-2005 03:09									#127
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KrazyHorse, that's Ted Striker material.

	21-06-2005 03:15									#128
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Its not to hard to understand that this girl likes him and cares for him. She just hasnt made it seem like she wants him as a boyfriend. However that doesnt mean she wont later on. Relationships take time to build they dont just unfold in one day for heavans sake. If this grlis worth pursuing for more then i sure space will know when the time is right to move forward.
I can tell you that if a girl wants to be kissed you will kniow it. You will be able to see it in her eyes and on her face.

	21-06-2005 03:18									#129
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And you'd know that how?

	21-06-2005 03:22									#130
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Space, do you know why so many women complain that there aren't any nice guys? Because there aren't any nice guys any more. Women bred that out of us 100 000 years ago.

As a nice guy, I seriously oppose your statement that I don't exist!

	21-06-2005 03:24									#131
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist And you'd know that how?

If your talking to me i think your gonna have to be a bit more specific on i know what how.

	21-06-2005 03:34									#132
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quote: Originally posted by Verres It is possible to have a brilliant and fulfilling friendship with casual sex on the side, .

I agree completely. The apex of this is the F*** buddy. In my case it was a good friend who I respected a lot but we knew we would never be a couple. We then later found out we can share some great sex.



I just don't think either Space or this girl is up for that. I still think he needs to decide

1. Does he have special feelings for her that makes him want a relationship?

2. If a relationship doesn't/won't work, does he want her as a friend.

Without special feelings I still think he should back off and just be a friend. If something happens later fine but he should cease looking for it.

	21-06-2005 03:35									#133
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski If your talking to me i think your gonna have to be a bit more specific on i know what how.

How you know that if a girl wants to be kissed, Space will see it.

	21-06-2005 03:53									#134
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Oh and to me cuddling is something you cannot really do standing. I would see it as sitting or more likely reclining or lying such that there is a lot of body contact. I consider spooning to be a form of cuddling and one that I prefer with my wife.

I don't agree with some arbitrary 10 minute rule as I think you could be cuddling for far less time than that

	21-06-2005 03:53									#135
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quote: Originally posted by boann "there is a narrow window of opportunity in most cases where you have a chance to be a romantic interest or you slide into the friends zone." do you guys honestly believe this load of crap

Yes, it seems to hold true. It's often a move or lose proposition.

	21-06-2005 03:55									#136
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I think it's bollocks. A self-fulfilling prophecy at most.

	21-06-2005 03:58									#137
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist How you know that if a girl wants to be kissed, Space will see it.

Well first off if she is scowling out you, you pretty much know that she dont want to be kissed. But more specific there is a look i give my husband that he takes on cue to give me a kiss. I.E. if we are ace to face and i am looking at his face lovingly hell from eyes to lips he knows that i want a kiss.

	21-06-2005 04:01									#138
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quote: Originally posted by Colon I think it's bollocks. A self-fulfilling prophecy at most.

I think thats too harsh and depends on the person.

I know girls that never ever dated anyone that got into the friend place so its not wrong for people who see that to be wary of that.

I also know people that end up married to a friend once a relationship develops or friends that became F*** buddies.

So the answer is " it depends"

What was the question? With relationships the question doesn't matter, the answer stays the same.

	21-06-2005 04:02									#139
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secondly if she wants to really be kissed she will make the move her self.

	21-06-2005 04:07									#140
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quote: She slept in your bed and nothing happened at all?

michael jackson sleeps with children and nothing happens there either, apparently.

	21-06-2005 04:18									#141
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She may not want a kiss/relationship, but that doesn't stop her from getting/wanting Space to desire her more.

I don't buy the 'cuddling in bed can be for just friends', otherwise women would cuddle in bed with their girlfriends. Although I might be willing to change my mind if I saw some pics or a video with girls cuddling, giggling and attractive.

	21-06-2005 04:25									#142
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski secondly if she wants to really be kissed she will make the move her self.

So why give her all the power?

**** that. move in for the kill, space.

	21-06-2005 04:26									#143
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber I think thats too harsh and depends on the person.

Well, quite exactly, if the people in question want to believe it, it'll be like that. A self-fulfilling prophecy.

	21-06-2005 04:32									#144
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quote: Originally posted by Colon Well, quite exactly, if the people in question want to believe it, it'll be like that. A self-fulfilling prophecy.

Don't buy that . . . there are women that you can believe all you want in turning things into something romantic but guess what--- if she puts you in the friend place , she means it

	21-06-2005 04:48									#145
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quote: Originally posted by Space05us She used to be bi.

I hate to break this to you, but she still is bisexual.

	21-06-2005 04:50									#146
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Uh...you don't think that sometimes people change, even if they are heavily predisposed to one way or the other?

I would think that that would be more common in bisexuals, given that they're in the middle...

	21-06-2005 04:53									#147
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I always thought of bisexuality as a sexual orientation in the same light as homosexulaity and heterosexuality, in that none of these three can be changed.

I admit, I don't understand everything about bisexuality so if someone knows more, and wants to fill me in . . . . .

	21-06-2005 05:11									#148
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber Don't buy that . . . there are women that you can believe all you want in turning things into something romantic but guess what--- if she puts you in the friend place , she means it

Again, if they want to reason like that it'll be like that. There's no biological reason why people ought to be stuck in a 'friendship-zone' because they missed that mythical 'window of opportunity'.

	21-06-2005 05:14									#149
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quote: Originally posted by Pyrodrew She may not want a kiss/relationship, but that doesn't stop her from getting/wanting Space to desire her more. I don't buy the 'cuddling in bed can be for just friends', otherwise women would cuddle in bed with their girlfriends. Although I might be willing to change my mind if I saw some pics or a video with girls cuddling, giggling and attractive.

well i just hate to break it to ya..
but girls cuddle each other.. jezzz..
but i would bet on that guys don't

	21-06-2005 05:18									#150
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quote: Originally posted by Colon Again, if they want to reason like that it'll be like that. There's no biological reason why people ought to be stuck in a 'friendship-zone' because they missed that mythical 'window of opportunity'.

right... there is no mythical window of opportunity.
thats really all ive been saying.
that friends do become lovers and lovers friends.
and that women don't stick men into
boxes or ladders and never take them out and
think about them in any other way... is just crazy.