07-07-2005 21:37									#301
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"The coalition" against Al-Queda is a very large number of nations, including Sweden that also has had troops in Afghanistan since early 2002 and on.

But so far only the nations in the "Iraqi Freedom" operation has been mentioned, more specifically Italy and Denmark, as far as I have seen.

	07-07-2005 21:40									#302
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I just woke up. What'd I miss?

	07-07-2005 21:42									#303
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Read the thread or tune in CNN or better yet BBC America.

Terror attacks in London.

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	07-07-2005 21:42									#304
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According to a US official, authorities are most concerned about the possibility of a similar attack in Washington, New York, Miami, Chicago, and Boston.

Great...the commute's gonna be even slower today. Not to mention that, personally, I think it might be a negative were I to get blowded up.

	07-07-2005 21:47									#305
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My condolences to all the Brits, and kudos to Molly for keeping us posted as an eyewitness.

I'm just thankful of a death toll of only 33, it could have been much worse.

	07-07-2005 21:51									#306
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quote: This only further shows us, that the terrorists don't only hate Americans. They hate the West. They hate what the west stands for, and we are all in their **** list.

Can't add anything to that Pekka.

	07-07-2005 21:51									#307
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger It could be just Provost Harrison farting.

OK.....

Well, the full extent of the events weren't revealed at the time that post was made- but I really didn't need to read that.

	07-07-2005 21:52									#308
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Yeah, I thought mods were to be held to a higher standard with respect to personal attacks on fellow posters.

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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi My condolences to all the Brits, and kudos to Molly for keeping us posted as an eyewitness. I'm just thankful of a death toll of only 33, it could have been much worse.

That's the current death toll, casualty figures for the bus haven't been disclosed.

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	07-07-2005 21:55									#310
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quote: Originally posted by Ninot Well in the case of Spain, they were able to cause enough terror that they swayed the vote in the elections, forcing Spain to pull out of Iraq, and thus achieving what they set out to do. I don't think that will happen with England. So I think this one is a battle won, but the war's not over.

First, i didnt notice the slighty sign of terror in Spain after 11M. It was even unnecesary to hide the images of deaths and such to people to avoid histery. But I noticed a lot of indignation towards Aznar saying it was ETA (he says so even today) when it was obvious for everybody it was AQ.

Second, to invade iraq was a victory for terrorism. I agree Spain going out of iraq was a defeat, a defeat for people as you of course. I congratulate spain for it. OTOH it was a victory for people, which opposed totally to iraq invasion since the first day and was ignored by Aznar.

Third, if you think that terrorists attacking succesfully London how y when they wish is a battle won then i dont know why am i losing my time with you.

	07-07-2005 21:56									#311
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And US officials are saying the Brits have said its upwards of 45

	07-07-2005 21:57									#312
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Tuberski:

Yeah, that's true not all the casulties have been confirmed, but thankfully the attack was not on the scale of 9/11.

	07-07-2005 21:58									#313
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quote: Originally posted by Ninot Well in the case of Spain, they were able to cause enough terror that they swayed the vote in the elections, forcing Spain to pull out of Iraq, and thus achieving what they set out to do.

Completely false. Results had been the same if the masacre had not been happened, as surveys said. Goberment lose because it was acting completely against the people will, and not only about Iraq. This is why goberments lose elections. The coward argument was first used by the angry politicians who lose those elections. Because of this, Mr. Aznar is probably the most hated politician here, and his party is losing every single election since then. People could not be frightened for so long.

Do you realy think that could be so many coward persons in a nation in order to change a election because of this? I didn't know anyone. We have been suffering terrorist attacks for a long time. I didn't saw this cowardy these days. In fact I saw millions of people getting out their homes and walking through the streets, showing their pain and solidarity with the victims. The english people will do the same, I hope

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quote: Originally posted by Ninot Well in the case of Spain, they were able to cause enough terror that they swayed the vote in the elections, forcing Spain to pull out of Iraq, and thus achieving what they set out to do. I don't think that will happen with England. So I think this one is a battle won, but the war's not over.

You seem to forget that the spanish people were against the war before the bombings.
Besides, as Thorgal pointed out already, Aznar was a total jerk and belied the people.

	07-07-2005 22:08									#315
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I would expect political bickering to stop when something like this happens.

This is a terrible thing to wake up to. It is a relief to hear that the British Apolytoners appear to have come out unharmed; I only hope their friends, family and acquaintances were able to do so as well.

I am confident that our friends and allies across the pond will not "fail or falter...weaken or tire", but come out of this on top.

	07-07-2005 22:08									#316
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All this is fine, but it should be in another thread, this thread is about the London bombings.

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would it be possible to open another thread on AQ's political motives, Iraq, Spanish politics, et al and keep this one for news of what happened in London and is happening elsewhere NOW, condolences, etc? I see this getting out of hand.

	07-07-2005 22:15									#318
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what took them so long???

	07-07-2005 22:16									#319
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now that's understandable. but the ones in spain werent. there they made a miscalculation here ethically it is more than justified. atlhough theorietically people in iraq and other places shouldnt die and its terrible when they do.

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What are you talking about patty-cakes?

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Crap...just heard about this now.

My brother flew into London yesterday. :|

	07-07-2005 22:18									#322
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Hope he's all right Asher.

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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger It could be just Provost Harrison farting.

Classy.

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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski Hope he's all right Asher. ACK!

He is, I called my parents to confirm though. He's not staying in London, he's outside of London for some kind of racing competition.

	07-07-2005 22:21									#325
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Latest official figures:

37 dead
700 wounded

	07-07-2005 22:21									#326
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quote: Originally posted by Asher He is, I called my parents to confirm though. He's not staying in London, he's outside of London for some kind of racing competition.

x-post.

That's good to hear.

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	07-07-2005 22:24									#328
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I was wandering round the tavistock square area monday and tuesday...scary.

	07-07-2005 22:24									#329
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That looked really bad when I first posted..........

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	07-07-2005 22:28									#330
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To all the fine Spaniards i might have offended.

Truly sorry. My knowledge of that perticular election and everything surrounding it was formed by mostly local news reports. I was probably out of line to make those comments.