07-07-2005 17:35									#152
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Horrible news. My heart goes out to Londoners and everyone attached to this strike. This only further shows us, that the terrorists don't only hate Americans. They hate the West. They hate what the west stands for, and we are all in their **** list. For this reason only we must not submit, but fight and fight hard.

OK, no threadjacking. This the second time inside EU in short time though.. Madrid and now London, and they sure seem to be loving transportation as target, and mornings.

Let's hope all our Londoners are OK and everyone in London now and.. we'll see how this continues to develop.

	07-07-2005 17:41									#153
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This from a friend at work in St. James's:

" Just to let you know that i'm ok.

Here in London Underground Communications, we still don't know the full story. All we know is there have been casualties at Aldgate, Russell Square, Edgware Road and Kings Cross. "


Sent at 10:30 this morning, but I haven't had an update from him yet.

Lots of police sirens outside, still huge queues for busses, Stratford railway station still hasn't reopened.

Time for a late lunch soon, I think.

	07-07-2005 17:41									#154
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quote: Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe Damn and Double Damn!! Hang tight UK. and for the record UR (a lesson in no class)

Yeah Urban Ranger- usually I respect you- but why the **** are you being such an ass.

	07-07-2005 17:41									#155
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I'm sad to hear this news. I hope everyone who knows someone in London hears that they are safe, and I'm thankful that so far all of our Apolyton bretheren seem to be safe and sound. Oh, and eternal pain, shame and death to whoever did this.

	07-07-2005 17:43									#156
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue THis will not have the effect on the British as the Madrid attacks had on the Spanish.

Oh dear

* count to ten...

	07-07-2005 17:44									#157
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For URs defense, he didn't know what had happened when he said the farting thing. I think you people are barking at the wrong tree now.

	07-07-2005 17:46									#158
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I was more disturbed by his 10:22 post than the first response... His ****ing rolleyes.

	07-07-2005 17:48									#159
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http://www.elpais.es/recorte.php?xref=20050707elpepivin_3&id=SCO&type=Ies


London

	07-07-2005 17:48									#160
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For chrissakes, this is UR standard operating procedure, "Tiananmen didn't happen, did six million really die" routine. Why is anyone surprised?

	07-07-2005 17:51									#161
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quote: Originally posted by Alfonso http://www.elpais.es/recorte.php?xref=20050707elpepivin_3&id=SCO&type=Ies London

Gracias.


They shall not pass...

	07-07-2005 17:53									#162
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Okay, now, who screwed up? UK has been dealing with these threats for decades, have the old skills gotten rusty?

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	07-07-2005 17:56									#164
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quote: Originally posted by Saras Okay, now, who screwed up? UK has been dealing with these threats for decades, have the old skills gotten rusty?

I don't recall hearing of any threats issued prior to the explosions.

And given that this is still a relatively free society, we don't screen all rush hour passengers before they board busses or trains, so....

	07-07-2005 17:57									#165
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Noone screwed up. At current level of security in public transport and invasion of privacy, I don't see how anything could've been done.

	07-07-2005 17:57									#166
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I don't think the UK has been dealing with these threats more so that people have got use to living with them especially in London. Small things like there haven't been litter bins in stations for years.

Now trying to work out how to get home with no buses, tubes or trains. Only 40 miles to walk. At the moment though we've been advised not to leave the building and we're quite a distance from the centre (W12).

	07-07-2005 17:59									#167
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I might call PH on phone to ask if he's alright, but then he's probably far away from the hot spots.

	07-07-2005 18:00									#168
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom Oh the savage irony.

The official communications from both sides during the Iran-Iraq war would always begin with "Allah the merciful and compassionate" then would cite how many thousands of the other side they had killed followed by the declaration that 3-4 of their own soldiers had been 'martyred'. I wont say it was worth a chuckle while reading them, but it was always ironic especially on the more outlandish reports.

quote: Park Avenue Could I suggest you leave such uninformed chauvinist speculation where it belongs ? In the gutter or dustbin.

Chauvinist speculation or not, I doubt that this will do anything but increase Brit resolution to continue fighting against these bastards. I think we may be looking at a death toll of up to 500 with many more wounded.

Strangely enough my first thoughts while watching the Blair news blurb was that it would have been the most inopportune time to say something like,

:churchill voice: 'others have tried and failed to use violence to weaken the British resolve to continue the fight against tyranny. Ooh, sorry Gerhard' : /churchill voice:

EDIT: I wasnt trying to be an a$$hole with the above, it was just something that popped into my head. END EDIT

I think that the timing of the attacks with the G8 summit was a strategic mistake by the terrorist scum. In essense, this may be viewed as an attack on all (psychologically) and may increase unity amongst the group (at least for a while).

	07-07-2005 18:00									#169
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"And given that this is still a relatively free society, we don't screen all rush hour passengers before they board busses or trains, so...."

Until now.
USA didn't have people remove shoes for screening either, for one thing.

	07-07-2005 18:00									#170
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The only possible good news for people seeking transport here is that the group is probably going 'underground' for a while (at least in London)... too much chance of getting caught if it tries to pull anything. It simply wouldn't be good strategy on their part

That being said, if I were in London, I'd not really be that comfortable about riding public transit right now. even if it's probably going to be relatively safe...

	07-07-2005 18:01									#171
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I'm in reading. Was in london yesterday. Very shocking. Makes me angry.

	07-07-2005 18:03									#172
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quote: I think that the timing of the attacks with the G8 summit was a strategic mistake by the terrorist scum. In essense, this may be viewed as an attack on all (psychologically) and may increase unity amongst the group (at least for a while).

I don't know... they'll probably use it as 'evidence' that Bush's plan isn't working and support for America's 'war on terror' will decline.

Though America will likely step up draconian measures. ... for better, or worse.

	07-07-2005 18:04									#173
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH Chauvinist speculation or not, I doubt that this will do anything but increase Brit resolution to continue fighting against these bastards. I think we may be looking at a death toll of up to 500 with many more wounded.

i think that is, fortunately, a gross over-estimation.

	07-07-2005 18:06									#174
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Yup, London seems to have had more good luck than Madrid, with less people wounded and dead.

	07-07-2005 18:07									#175
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Let's stop because of this. That makes a shitload of sense.

	07-07-2005 18:08									#176
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quote: Originally posted by C0ckney i think that is, fortunately, a gross over-estimation.

Hopefully so, my estimate is based on 6 trains with 300 people each plus a bus with 40 or so and guessing 80-90% fatality in the bombed cars + other deaths from smoke etc.

	07-07-2005 18:09									#177
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Good timing for a terrorist attack


It happening right after the olympic bid:

1) causes speculation over whether it was related to the olympics.

2) acts as forwarning of more attacks when the olympics have started.

3) throws a huge downer in the country's celebration.

4) If france had won it, it could still cause speculation over whether it was related to the olympics, and possibly make some people in france wonder if the bombs where ment for them.

And with the G8:

1) causes speculation over whether it was related to the G8.

2) likely to inflate tensions between protesters and those who are against what they are doing as speculation is made, or blame is placed for distracting security, ect..

3) shows that when attention is focused on a high-scale event, attacks can be done elsewhere with relative ease, which ties in with the threat of more attacks during the olympics, exponentially raising the potential panic level.

	07-07-2005 18:10									#178
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	07-07-2005 18:10									#179
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Hope all the Polytubbies are safe.

	07-07-2005 18:13									#180
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quote: Let's stop because of this. That makes a shitload of sense.

Actually it does... and that's disturbing.
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quote: 1) causes speculation over whether it was related to the G8.

Which is odd as heck, since G8 is designed to give aid to people-0 now they'll be getting even LESS aid from the US and England since $$ must be spent on security first.

I think that the thinking will go like this- who cares about sub-saharan african terrorists- it's the maghreb that we have to worry about... and Sudan of course... as terrorist breeding grounds- all the aid will go there instead of to the other corrupt dictators who have been funnelling funds for decades.

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