07-07-2005 18:14									#181
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Nothing to do with the olympics, no-one expected us to win. It's all about the G8.

	07-07-2005 18:15									#182
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spencer, ITV news are reporting 12 deaths and somewhere in the region of 200 injuries, this may well rise, but i don't think it will get up that much higher, thankfully.

	07-07-2005 18:16									#183
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I dont think the timing was related to the olympic decision in any way.

The fact that an attack was possible in one of, if not THE most secure city in the west may help to reverse some of the complacency about 'homeland security'.

	07-07-2005 18:20									#184
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I hope this incident strengthens European resolve to fight terrorism in Iraq and throughout the world.

I did not support US intervention in Iraq, but now that we're there it is clear that we cannot leave until that country has been stabilized. This means we need to double or triple the amount of troops there to provide enough security to build infrastructure. These troops will need to come from our European allies since we have pooled all our available resources short of conscription. Maybe with that influx of troops we can pull that al-Qaeda weed named Zarqawi from Iraq and end all terrorist operations there.

Once that mission is complete we can step up our efforts to find Bin Laden and end his reign of terror once and for all..

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quote: Originally posted by MikeH Nothing to do with the olympics, no-one expected us to win. It's all about the G8.

Wether it was intentional or not, it's good timing.


But I think that if the attack was planned primarily around G8 that the olympic bid could of been taken into consideration aswell, regardless of whether they expected london to get it or not, simply so that the attack would tie in with two major events at the same time - I mean, if you can hit to events at once, why not?

	07-07-2005 18:21									#186
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Just found this posted on another site:

quote: 13:30 Jul 07, ‘05 / 30 Sivan 5765 (IsraelNN.com) Army Radioquoting unconfirmed reliable sources reported a short time ago thatScotland Yard had intelligence warnings of the attacks a short timebefore they occurred. The Israeli Embassy in London was notified in advance, resulting inFinance Minister Binyamin Netanyahu remaining in his hotel room ratherthan make his way to the hotel adjacent to the site of the firstexplosion, a Liverpool Street train station, where he was to addressand economic summit. At present, train and bus service in London have been suspendedfollowing the series of attacks. No terrorist organization has claimedresponsibility at this time. Israeli officials stress the advanced Scotland Yard warning does not inany way indicate Israel was the target in the series of apparent terrorattacks.

	07-07-2005 18:21									#187
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quote: The fact that an attack was possible in one of, if not THE most secure city in the west may help to reverse some of the complacency about 'homeland security'.

It'll just make it tighter.

And little moslem schoolkids'll get beat up.

Bad things all around.

	07-07-2005 18:22									#188
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quote: Originally posted by bfg9000 I hope this incident strengthens European resolve to fight terrorism in Iraq and throughout the world. I did not support US intervention in Iraq, but now that we're there it is clear that we cannot leave until that country has been stabilized. This means we need to double or triple the amount of troops there to provide enough security to build infrastructure. These troops will need to come from our European allies since we have pooled all our available resources short of conscription. Maybe with that influx of troops we can pull that al-Qaeda weed named Zarqawi from Iraq and end all terrorist operations there. Once that mission is complete we can step up our efforts to find Bin Laden and end his reign of terror once and for all..

This thread really isn't the place to say how i feel about your post. Why don't you start a new one with this as your OP.

	07-07-2005 18:22									#189
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quote: Originally posted by C0ckney spencer, ITV news are reporting 12 deaths and somewhere in the region of 200 injuries, this may well rise, but i don't think it will get up that much higher, thankfully.

I hate to be the 'crow' about this, but there must have been more than 12 people on that bus alone. Even a relatively small explosive going off in a crowded train car in the underground would have killed almost everyone oin the car. Unfortunately, the numbers will grow exponentially in the next few hours unless the trains were relatively empty (which I hope but doubt).

	07-07-2005 18:23									#190
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quote: Originally posted by bfg9000 I hope this incident strengthens European resolve to fight terrorism in Iraq and throughout the world.

Iraq.

	07-07-2005 18:23									#191
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An attack like this requires weeks, if not months, of planning. To attack the 2012 olympic games city on the day after selection they would have had to do similar preparations in all of the other candidate cities, and on top of that, the terrorist should have abandoned their preparations in all the other cities and only carry out the attack in the winner city. The thought of this having anything to do with the olympic games is absurd. Not to mention that organising an attack to several large cities at once would certainly increase activity and "chatter" so much that the entire operation would risk exposion - and the network may not even have the resources to carry out orchestrated attacks simultaniously on several different cities...

It's just a coincidence, one that favoured the perpetrators, though.

	07-07-2005 18:24									#192
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quote: Once that mission is complete we can step up our efforts to find Bin Laden and end his reign of terror once and for all..

...interesting that these terrorists are all pretty well funded- without the funding they don't seem to act.

Even though bomb-making is relatively easy and life is cheap- people need incentives- their families need to be taken care of, coordination costs money, etc.

Maybe more needs to be done to confiscate $$$ and withhold it from radical members of royal families, or oil companies, etc.?

	07-07-2005 18:24									#193
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ludd, maybe you could treat this day as a break from being a complete and utter penis :/

	07-07-2005 18:25									#194
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I just heard from my Sister, both her and my Niece are ok so im relieved. She lives just a few hundred yards from one of the affected tube stations, her friend has told her there is believed to be about 20 dead, though this is unconfirmed officially.

My heart goes out to all those who are caught up in todays blasts and their families, God be with you.

	07-07-2005 18:25									#195
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quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia An attack like this requires weeks, if not months, of planning. To attack the 2012 olympic games city on the day after selection they would have had to do similar preparations in all of the none of the other candidate cities, and on top of that, the terrorist should have abandoned their preparations in all the other cities and only carry out the attack in the winner city. The thought of this having anything to do with the olympic games is absurd.

But the G8 was already happening there, so they could safely plan it in London and if they don't get the olympic bid, fine... it was for the G8. If they do get the bid - bonus, it's both.

	07-07-2005 18:27									#196
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Shite. I was supposed to be passing through those stations tomorrow on my way to a mate's party in Bedford. Going to stay in Suffolk now and get back up to Norwich first chance I get.

Had a few stressful hours trying to get in contact with my friends in London. Everyone's fine but the mobile networks are shot to hell right now. Phone calls aren't being connected and text messages aren't getting through all the time.

	07-07-2005 18:28									#197
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd But the G8 was already happening there, so they could safely plan it in London and if they don't get the olympic bid, fine... it was for the G8. If they do get the bid - bonus, it's both.

Yeah, that is possible, placing a little "bet" on the side. But the olympic games were certainly not the primary factor. And I agree that an attack on London would have stifled celebrations elsewhere even if the games had not gone to London.

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So, how many are killed in traffic accidents in greater London per day? If it ends up to be only two fatalites, and let us hope that's the case, those bastards, whoever they are, have not managed to cause much more destruction and mayhem than happy hour. With all that planning, money and effort that they must have spent... ****ers!

	07-07-2005 18:29									#199
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My sympathy goes out to the people of London. I hope all of our polytubbies are safe, and that the casualty count goes no higher.

As when my parents were young, we look to London for courage and grim resolve.

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quote: Originally posted by Richelieu This thread really isn't the place to say how i feel about your post. Why don't you start a new one with this as your OP.

And I agree... as in the past, this type of thread is meant to serve as central place for information, a place to hear if our British brothers are ok, and show our concerns...

It is not meant as a political thread... No trolling, or using this thread to make political statements will be allowed.

My heart goes out to our British members... I hope they and their family and friends are all safe...

	07-07-2005 18:31									#201
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A friend of mine just told me about some technical judgement of him: Because the terrorists bombed the Metropolitan line, where tunnels are wide, they created a much weaker shockwave compared to if they had done it in the Picadilly line. Good luck for the people. Opinions?

	07-07-2005 18:31									#202
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quote: Originally posted by Richelieu "Originally posted by bfg9000 I hope this incident strengthens European resolve to fight terrorism in Iraq and throughout the world. I did not support US intervention in Iraq, but now that we're there it is clear that we cannot leave until that country has been stabilized. This means we need to double or triple the amount of troops there to provide enough security to build infrastructure. These troops will need to come from our European allies since we have pooled all our available resources short of conscription. Maybe with that influx of troops we can pull that al-Qaeda weed named Zarqawi from Iraq and end all terrorist operations there. Once that mission is complete we can step up our efforts to find Bin Laden and end his reign of terror once and for all.." This thread really isn't the place to say how i feel about your post. Why don't you start a new one with this as your OP.

DITTO. This isn't the place to make political points imho thanks.

	07-07-2005 18:32									#203
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According to Sky News, 45+ dead and around 1000 injured atm.

	07-07-2005 18:33									#204
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	07-07-2005 18:35									#205
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Rumours that 45 dead at Kings Cross alone.

	07-07-2005 18:38									#206
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yep, just saw it too.

	07-07-2005 18:39									#207
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Sorry. Did not mean to threadjack. Just expressing my anger at the terrorists that perpetrated this vile act.

	07-07-2005 18:39									#208
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I've been told the bus(es) were jammed packed with people turned away from the tubes........

	07-07-2005 18:42									#209
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Terrorists

Hope as many people as possible come out of this intact, and for London to get back to some resemblance of normalcy ASAP.

	07-07-2005 18:42									#210
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand "And given that this is still a relatively free society, we don't screen all rush hour passengers before they board busses or trains, so...." Until now. USA didn't have people remove shoes for screening either, for one thing.

Try to get an idea of the kind of effort required to screen ALL passenegers on London Underground, the overland rail network and London Transport's busses from these statistics:

" Since 1993, following a decline in travel associated with the recession of the early 1990s, the total number of morning peak passengers has increased by 12% with 1.1 million recorded in 1998. "

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/pdfdocs/marketone.pdf


I should just point out to those who may not be familiar with this, but the British (and Irish) are rather used to sustained campaigns of urban terrorism.


" The first bomb of the Troubles in England detonated at the Aldershot headquarters of the Parachute Regiment, whose soldiers had opened fired and killed 13 nationalist protesters in Londonderry.

The Official IRA bomb killed seven - a gardener and the regiment's Roman Catholic padre - and five women in the kitchens.

A year later, the Provisional IRA, now eclipsing the Officials, sent its first unit to London.

The first and still one of the most infamous operations involved sisters Dolores and Marion Price and nine others who placed four car bombs in London on 8 March 1973.

Ten of the team were apprehended as they attempted to leave Heathrow and two bombs were defused.

But the remaining two, one of which was outside the Old Bailey, exploded, killing one man and injuring some 180 other people.

M62 bombing

Undeterred by the jailing of the Price sisters and others, the IRA regrouped its efforts.

One of the most horrific bombings came in February 1974 when an IRA unit planted a bomb on a coach carrying servicemen and their families, killing 11 people.

The bombing led to a controversial miscarriage of justice when Judith Ward, a woman with a history of mental illness, was jailed for that attack and others.

Later that same year, an IRA unit planted bombs in two pubs in Guildford, Surrey. The explosions killed two soldiers, three ordinary people and injured 50 others.

Birmingham pub bombing

In November 1974, the IRA carried out one of its most devastating attacks when 21 people were killed in another pub bombing in Birmingham. "

Et cetera, et cetera...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1201738.stm


The only sane response is to carry on living life as normal.

Yes, I might be blown up, but odds are I won't be.