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Dumbledore said "only a true Gryffindor would be able to..." - which could be read either way really. I'm sure it would have been mentioned already if he was, especially in relation to Voldemort choosing him over Neville.

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However, after the book-long implication that Harry was actually a descendant of Slytherin, that statement heavily implies that Harry is actually a descendant of Gryffindor. I'd agree with you otherwise, but with the Parseltongue and everything else going in...

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I thought it was already known that Harry was a direct descendant of Gryffindor? Wasn't this explained (or at least heavily implied) at the end of COS?


I just thought of my second point and then I saw this post (which is related).

The evidence to date (scanty though it is) suggests that Harry's father was pureblood. Given that all purebloods are related to some degree, it would mean that Harry is related to the Blacks, Malfoys, etc and Voldemort.

I doubt that it means anything, but it popped into my head earlier (and then I forgot it).

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I thought it was already known that Harry was a direct descendant of Gryffindor? Wasn't this explained (or at least heavily implied) at the end of COS?


Nope... just a true Gryffindor student. Nothing indicates that he'd directly related, though that may be a revelation.

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Hasn't this reached the post limit for closure yet?

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200 more Harry Potter posts to go. Sit back, relax, and enjoy the ride.





Slughard Finally a Slytherin character who isn't totally evil. Sure, he's a vain, pompous, social-climbing jackass, but his heart appears to be in the right place.

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SlugHORN, Guy .

Yeah, and I liked him. I still have some home from other Slytherin's to prove themselves.

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Yes, of course, Slughorn.

What Rowling did with Draco was really quite remarkable.

She took this sniveling little stuck-up horse's ass who we all hate, and escalated him from petty bullying to full-blown pure evil. And at the same time, she actually made him sympathetic, something which had seemed impossible up to this point.

I still don't think he's going to amount to any good whatsoever, despite what Snape did for him. No matter what Riddle decides to do to him or his parents, there is no way Draco turns to the good side.

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He could do something semi-heroic. You know, something that keeps him out of Azkaban.

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I hate that little twerp. Even though Rowling made me feel a twinge of sympathy for him, I hope Riddle AK's him into oblivion. Or Bellatrix Cruciatuses him into madness. Or Grayback just rips out his effing throat.

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However, after the book-long implication that Harry was actually a descendant of Slytherin, that statement heavily implies that Harry is actually a descendant of Gryffindor. I'd agree with you otherwise, but with the Parseltongue and everything else going in...


taken from this interview

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MA: What about Harry's family — his grandparents — were they killed?

JKR: No. This takes us into more mundane territory. As a writer, it was more interesting, plot-wise, if Harry was completely alone. So I rather ruthlessly disposed of his entire family apart from Aunt Petunia. I mean, James and Lily are massively important to the plot, of course, but the grandparents? No. And, because I do like my backstory: Petunia and Lily's parents, normal Muggle death. James's parents were elderly, were getting on a little when he was born, which explains the only child, very pampered, had-him-late-in-life-so-he's-an-extra-treasure, as often happens, I think. They were old in wizarding terms, and they died. They succumbed to a wizarding illness. That's as far as it goes. There's nothing serious or sinister about those deaths. I just needed them out of the way so I killed them.

MA: That sort of shuts down Heir of Gryffindor [theories], as well.

JKR: [Pause.] Yeah. Well - yeah


So the Gryffindor heir theory is now pretty much shot down.

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WOOOT! Part 3 of the interview is up! Thanks Nacht. I didn't notice .

Time to read it .

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I had a crazy idea as to who R.A.B. might be, aside from Regulus Black.

Maybe it's Bertie Botts... also known as Robert Botts?

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Got the book yesterday, and finished in only 5 hours of reading. Now that is lightspeed. I am normally a midnight person, but I am on vacation in Spain and I was having fun doing other stuff. Plus they are fairly rare and expensive over here.

I think the most important question is whether Snape is a Judas figure (bad through and through,) or... an Edmund figure, (Referring to the Narnia Chronicles, of course, where Edmund betrays Aslan but gets redeemed) or something entirely different, someone who killed Dumbledore on Dumbledores own orders.

I will have to reread carefully for textual clues at some point. However, I am loaning my copy to a pretty girl. Having geeky hobbies in common


RAB is Regulus Black. Harry Potter plots might be convoluted, but they are not packed with red herrings. Do not overanalyze.

I think the series is every bit as much a story of Severus Snape as it is a story of Harry Potter at this point. Kind of like how Star Wars became the story of Darth Vader. Personally I think Snape is out for himself and himself only, but I am unsure.

Imran, Harry/Luna always looked stupid. Ron and Hermione was made clear in GoF, and Harry and Ginny was made clear one book later. Remus and Tonks was a kind of random pairing proposed by fans, so I am surprised it made it into the books.

I liked the reference to the movies, where Slughorn mistakenly calls Ron "Rupert."

I really liked the memories of Tom. I thought they were well done.

The final word: Harry as a horcrux is a decent theory, but not a brilliant one. So calm down.

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Harry/Luna always looked stupid.


Not to some (who haven't posted so much on this thread)... who consistently argued that it was going to be the case.

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Yes, of course, Slughorn.

What Rowling did with Draco was really quite remarkable.

She took this sniveling little stuck-up horse's ass who we all hate, and escalated him from petty bullying to full-blown pure evil. And at the same time, she actually made him sympathetic, something which had seemed impossible up to this point.

I still don't think he's going to amount to any good whatsoever, despite what Snape did for him. No matter what Riddle decides to do to him or his parents, there is no way Draco turns to the good side.


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I hate that little twerp. Even though Rowling made me feel a twinge of sympathy for him, I hope Riddle AK's him into oblivion. Or Bellatrix Cruciatuses him into madness. Or Grayback just rips out his effing throat.


Afraid to use Voldemort's name?

ACK!

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No. I just think calling him Riddle cuts him down a couple pegs, self-important prat that he is. Dumbledore always called him Tom to his face, you'll remember...

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Speaking of Riddle, that sequence of him pre-Hogwarts was chilling. Displaying all the tendancies of a future serial killer... animal torture/mutilation, doing "something" to other children... gave me the creeping willies.

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Maybe it was a wascally wabbit?

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The awfullness of the Harry/Ginny romance, the perfunctoriness of it, the complete lack of drama and interest only serves to prove that we, harry/luna supporters, were in the right, and Rowling just plain messed up. This latest book really, really suffered from a lack of Neville and Luna. Not so much Luna, even, but come on, where was Neville? It's like the DA just disintegrated, kind of pathetic.

But good book. Not as good as the previous, but good enough. Interesting drug references, with felix felicis representing 'good' tripping and the cave representing 'bad' tripping. This really was Harry's first year in college, I suppose. I hope the next is better. And Harry splitting up with Ginny makes far more sense than Peter Parker putting his relationship with Mary Jane Watson on the skids.

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The awfullness of the Harry/Ginny romance, the perfunctoriness of it, the complete lack of drama and interest only serves to prove that we, harry/luna supporters, were in the right, and Rowling just plain messed up.


HAHA! Sore losers!

The Harry/Ginny romance was definetly not awful. What kind of drama would you like? A love triangle? Come off it. Harry/Luna would have been ****.

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This latest book really, really suffered from a lack of Neville and Luna. Not so much Luna, even, but come on, where was Neville? It's like the DA just disintegrated, kind of pathetic.


The book was over 600 pages. You want another OotP?

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While I agree with you, Imran, about Harry's love live, I agree with Monolith on the shameful lack of Neville this time around. At the very least, he could have gotten himself a girlfriend.

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Neville/Luna in book seven...

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While I agree with you, Imran, about Harry's love live, I agree with Monolith on the shameful lack of Neville this time around. At the very least, he could have gotten himself a girlfriend.


And how long did you want the book to be?

Neville will feature in Book 7. He just wasn't important to the plot in Book 6's story.

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Speaking of Riddle, that sequence of him pre-Hogwarts was chilling. Displaying all the tendancies of a future serial killer... animal torture/mutilation, doing "something" to other children... gave me the creeping willies.


It made me think of Peter Wiggin a little bit.

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you could tell the seeds of harry and ginny had been planted in book two. i'd have been disappointed if they'd not gotten together.

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The Harry/Ginny romance is ****ing anemic. There's absolutely nothing to it. He likes her, turns out she actually still does like him, they kiss, and then that's it. There's nothing to it. They just get along and she hangs out. NOTHING and BORING. This is not drama, this is the ****ing day to day diary of harry potter.

Did I want another OotP? Well, I at least wanted another book of the same high standard. This new book, while interesting doesn't have the same feverous energy and palpable mystery. The new characters don't have as much depth as the characters introduced in the last book and the new suspense isn't as good. There are some really great action scenes, but there isn't nearly as much building characterization as the previous book. Hermione/Ron change a pretty fair bit, but at the beginning of the book we see a shockingly large amount of immaturity which hasn't been fully tackled by books end.

And Phlegm? Kill me now. That was lame. Ginny was so incredibly immature. They were really great ****ing hosts.

Ugh. Not as good as Ootp and the more I write about it the more convinced I get, so I'm going to stop writing about it now.

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Not to some (who haven't posted so much on this thread)... who consistently argued that it was going to be the case.


I have an uncomfortable feeling I might have been one of them, but I honestly can't remember.

There's not much I can say about the book that hasn't already been said. I suppose I liked it, but I would have preferred it if things had happened differently.

Dumbledore is comfortably my favourite character in the series, so it kind of sucks that he won't be in it anymore. At least I hope he isn't - it'd be uber cheesy if he came back.

Far too much tedious romance, IMHO, but it didn't kill the book.

Neville, Luna, Fred and George are very interesting and/or entertaining characters, so it's a pity they aren't in it more. They're certainly more interesting than Ginny, although JKR is dropping hints that she'll have more to do in book 7 so we'll have to wait and see where that goes.

Surely RAB is Sirius' brother. To seriously suggest anything else seems a little silly, but the idea of it being Bertie Bott is pretty amusing.

Much of what has happened previously would seem pretty stupid if Snape stayed evil, IMHO, but I'm not sure I want him to redeem himself. That too would seem very cheesy. Perhaps this is why I'm a little disappointed in how things turned out in book 6. What happens between Harry and Snape is obviously going to be a huge part of book 7, but I feel like whatever happens will leave me unsatisfied. Let's see what happens, though.

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I think me and monolith are of a pretty similar opinion. The same thing happened after OotP came out, as I recall.

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Best joke in the book?

I liked the U-NO-POO gag, but I'm childish like that.

"You don't spell 'Augury' O-R-G..." also made me laugh out loud.

 
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