19-07-2005 17:34									#211
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quote: Originally posted by Sandman Voldemort detests Potter and everything he stands for... Harry's the last person he'd use as a Horcrux.

It wasn't intentional; I think it happened as a result of the failed killing curse.

In further support of this: the killing curse leaves NO mark. Harry is scarred--this is a result of being made a horcrux.

	19-07-2005 17:49									#212
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Even if Harry is a horcrux, I think he'll be able to somehow un-horcrux himself. I just don't see him dying in 7.

spoiler(highlight to read): And I agree entirely about Ginny - I was thinking as I read it, Dumbledore keeps lecturing you on the power of love, and then you cut yourself off from it? I think the surprise at the end of 7 may be Dumbledore's return, for two reasons. First, there's the thing about as long as one person loyal to Dumbledore remains - and Harry is Dumbledore's man through and through, as we are reminded - and the overarching war is supposed to be the magic of love vs the magic of hate/death/whatever. Harry obviously loved Dumbledore strongly. And Dumbledore is associated closely with the pheonix.

	19-07-2005 18:12									#213
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quote: Originally posted by Guynemer It wasn't intentional; I think it happened as a result of the failed killing curse. In further support of this: the killing curse leaves NO mark. Harry is scarred--this is a result of being made a horcrux.

By all accounts, creating a Horcrux is an astonishingly difficult piece of Dark magic... the chances of it being unintentional strike me as being rather remote. I'd expect creating one to resemble a prolonged ritual-style spell, as seen in Voldemort's ressurection in GoF.

He's also tried to kill Harry on several occasions... why destroy your own Horcrux?

	19-07-2005 18:13									#214
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quote: Originally posted by Guynemer The whole "magic of love" thing. Honestly, spare me, but that's what we've been given.

Indeed. So why would any part of Voldemort's sould be able to survive there.

	19-07-2005 19:20									#215
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I think Rowling has made it clear that D is dead i.e. "no coming back". Of course, he will still be in his portraits.

EDIT: To hell with the spoilers.

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	19-07-2005 19:23									#216
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quote: Originally posted by Guynemer It wasn't intentional; I think it happened as a result of the failed killing curse. In further support of this: the killing curse leaves NO mark. Harry is scarred--this is a result of being made a horcrux.

I think this is another good point. The connection between V and Harry is unique and perhaps the scar is the indication of his being a horcrux. If Harry is a horcrux, then we can expect to see the transfer of V's soul from Harry to an object and then its destruction (despite Imrans bizarre opinion it is impossible for Harry to be killed- these books are about good triumphing over evil after all).

Any guesses as to Grawps role in the final battles?

	19-07-2005 20:27									#217
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quote: The whole "magic of love" thing. Honestly, spare me, but that's what we've been given.

I agree, that's lame.

	19-07-2005 21:14									#218
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Go to Wal-Mart.

Waldemart?! On the corner of Nocturne Alley and Desolation Row? I think not!! Only dark wizards and witches shop there!

	19-07-2005 21:30									#219
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That may very well be. However the dark wizards and witches have had thier copy since it was released and laugh at you.

	19-07-2005 21:58									#220
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quote: In further support of this: the killing curse leaves NO mark. Harry is scarred--this is a result of being made a horcrux.

Whether or not you believe in Harry as a horcrux (I don't), the question about the scar and the pain it illicits from time to time is an interesting question that has to be answered.

	19-07-2005 22:07									#221
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quote: Originally posted by Sandman Voldemort detests Potter and everything he stands for... Harry's the last person he'd use as a Horcrux.

It makes perfect sense to use THE_CHOSEN_ONE as a Horcrux , bacause Voldemort cannot be killed by THE_CHOSEN_ONE as long as THE_CHOSEN_ONE is alive , but Voldemort can survive even after killing THE_CHOSEN_ONE . It ensures that either both go down , or only Voldemort survives .

	19-07-2005 22:10									#222
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Another thing - Dumbledore immobilised Harry to protect him , due to which he died . Does this mean that , like Lily , Dumbledore died to save Harry , thus affording him similar protection for the last and final round of this conflict ?

	19-07-2005 22:11									#223
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH I think Rowling has made it clear that D is dead i.e. "no coming back". Of course, he will still be in his portraits. EDIT: To hell with the spoilers.

How has she made it clear that he's dead forever?

	19-07-2005 22:21									#224
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@ Kuci

By making it clear that Avada Kevadra is a permanent curse - there is no going back , ever .

	19-07-2005 22:25									#225
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I believe that's made clear by the fact that you can't bring people back from the dead, period.

However, it would fit in rather nicely if it turned out that this awesome love magic (god that sounds retarded) can bring people back from the dead (presumably if they are very loved).

	19-07-2005 22:41									#226
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Kuci, I'm sorry to be blunt, and I know its hard to believe, but he's gone, he will never be back, he's dead.

	19-07-2005 23:24									#227
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I'd be disappointed if he did come back... it'd be super cheesy.

	19-07-2005 23:27									#228
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Yes, it would be lame. But, rest assured, Rowling is talented enough not to do it. In Epic Pooh, Moorcock says she's redoubtable. Its fitting. Harry had it rough.

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	19-07-2005 23:39									#229
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I don't think she wrote the pensieve scenes properly. She should have at least changed narrators. For example, when reliving Snape's memories, use Snape as a narrator; when reliving Dumbledore's memories, use Dumbledore as narrator...

	20-07-2005 01:18									#230
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quote: Originally posted by aneeshm Another thing - Dumbledore immobilised Harry to protect him , due to which he died . Does this mean that , like Lily , Dumbledore died to save Harry , thus affording him similar protection for the last and final round of this conflict ?

No, I don't think so. Dumbledore didn't face the direct choice between life with dead Harry and death with live Harry. He was going to be killed anyway. This is elucidated by Rowling in the last set of questions in this interview.

	20-07-2005 09:23									#231
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Dumbledorr will be back........... as a ghost.

Mark my words.

ACK!

	20-07-2005 09:38									#232
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No he won't. Those who come back as ghosts are unhappy individuals. Most people don't want to forgo the ability to rest in peace.

	20-07-2005 10:10									#233
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Good point, then how about this, other than the picture can you think of a way for Dumbledore to return?

I can.....The Pensieve.

Memories left there to help Harry.

ACK!

	20-07-2005 10:20									#234
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	20-07-2005 14:48									#235
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My theory as to how it ends? In a nutshell, there is a final meeting between Voldemort and Harry, and with both being unable to curse one another, Voldemort will, as he has done in every other book, use something else. In this case, Snape. Instead of Snape being for Voldemort, as Average Joe will think after he killed Dumbledore, Snape kills Potter. However, the killing of Potter is the final horcrux and Snape turns on Voldemort.

	20-07-2005 17:02									#236
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski Good point, then how about this, other than the picture can you think of a way for Dumbledore to return? I can.....The Pensieve.

The Penseive, the portrait, or a priori incantem on Snape's wand.

	20-07-2005 17:47									#237
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Dumbledores memories in the pensieve wouldnt be interactive though only informative - perhaps as to why he trusts Snape (the Lilly infatuation) and that he asked Snape to kill him under defined circumstances.

Only the portraits would be interactively useful on a day-to-day basis.

	20-07-2005 18:25									#238
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quote: Originally posted by Sandman Voldemort detests Potter and everything he stands for... Harry's the last person he'd use as a Horcrux.

The theory isn't that Voldy deliberately used HP, but rather that the backfiring of the death curse caused it to happen. However, given the considerable care to which Voly takes to protect his horcruxes, either he doesn't know HP is one of his horcrux or HP isn't one (as he's tried to kill HP on several occassions). If he doesn't know, then there's still be another horcrux out there, since Voldy would have tried to create what he thought was a 7th.

	21-07-2005 00:18									#239
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Yeah, the theory is that he was prepared to make a horcrux after killing the Potter's but, you know... oops, and the split soul was still there and went to the kid.

Fanciful? Perhaps... but then so is the concept of horcruxes, when you think about it .

	21-07-2005 00:22									#240
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So is the concept of HP, when you think about it.