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So, who´ll win? (Time out:0 days after 15-07-2005, 19:12)
Lance Armstrong
Jan Ullrich
Alexander Vinokourov
Ivan Basso
Michael Rasmussen
Alejandro Valverde
Christophe Moreau
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Dr Zoidberg is offline Dr Zoidberg

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Since he´s not even racing anymore AFAIK, I would have to say no he doesn´t

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When will this be over so we can stop pretending we care about bicycle racing?

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You can stop pretending right now if you wish. You have my permission.

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Thanks!

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So, has anybody in this thread used the phrase "Tour de Lance" yet?

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I think they´re thinking of renaming it if Lance wins this year too

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Rasmussen is a drugged-up cheat...

And who, pray tell, isn't drugged up in the tour? These people are making performances that the human body can't do without substances. Doesn't make their achievement any less great. Even with all the dope in the world, an ordinary man couldn't achieve what these guys are doing

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Doesn't make their achievement any less great.


Yes it does. The use of drugs in sports competition is cheating.

I'll never watch professional cycling again, and I mean it. They've been cheating me and everyone who loved the sport for years. Well they're not cheating me anymore. I started figuring things out shortly after Bjarne Riis won in 1996, and my suspicions have been confirmed time and time again - and the riders just keep on competing, even after being caught. Either that, or they die in their sleep at age 25.

Humbug, the lot of it.

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Not like F1 is it?

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Well, it's close.

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F1 has politics instead of drugs.

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I usede to be able to ride a bike, but I think maybe I forgot how.

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Since he´s not even racing anymore AFAIK, I would have to say no he doesn´t


I know.
Was just letting you know how much of a chance I think he has got to win the damn thing ( who is one your favourites I gather? )

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Yes it does. The use of drugs in sports competition is cheating.

I'll never watch professional cycling again, and I mean it. They've been cheating me and everyone who loved the sport for years. Well they're not cheating me anymore. I started figuring things out shortly after Bjarne Riis won in 1996, and my suspicions have been confirmed time and time again - and the riders just keep on competing, even after being caught. Either that, or they die in their sleep at age 25.

Humbug, the lot of it.


You should watch American track & field instead.

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And who, pray tell, isn't drugged up in the tour?


Moreau. The French don't cheat.

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It would be funny if this was really a competition among drug manufacturers instead of bike riders.

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Moreau. The French don't cheat.

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I know.
Was just letting you know how much of a chance I think he has got to win the damn thing ( who is one your favourites I gather? )


Not really a favourite. I just picked the top riders of the tour right now. He is 3rd in the overall standings...

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virenque got caught like three times

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All lies!!!

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And who, pray tell, isn't drugged up in the tour?
Lance Armstrong.

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Not really a favourite. I just picked the top riders of the tour right now. He is 3rd in the overall standings...


You were saying...?

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Not really a favourite. I just picked the top riders of the tour right now. He is 3rd in the overall standings...


You were saying...?

Good thing you quoted Drake, otherwise I would have thought you were quoting DD

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He quoted me actually. But I don´t know why...

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To talk racing-- today was amazing-- Ullrich, Vino and Kloden did well to push the pace so that Armstrong lost his entire team and it was down to the elite group only ( well some non-contencers were up ahead but all but one, the stage winner, were caught). For a while on the mountain it was just the best

Stage result

1. Georg Totschnig (Austria) GST 220.5km in 5h43’43" (38.491km/h)
2. Lance Armstrong (USA) DSC - at 56"
3. Ivan Basso (Italy) CSC - at 58"
4. Jan Ullrich (Germany) TMO - at 1’16"
5. Levi Leipheimer (USA) GST - at 1’31"
6. Floyd Landis (USA) GST - at 1’31"
7. Francisco Mancebo (Spain) IBA - at 1’47"
8. Mickael Rasmussen (Denmark) RAB- at 1’47"
9. Andreas Kloden (Germany) TMO - at 2’06"
10. Haimar Zubeldia (Spain) EUS - at 2’20"

It was Armstrong with his rivals and as we have seen so many times before, Armstrong simply paced them and then with about 3km he accelerated-- and just like last year, only Basso seems able to match him. The gapson Ullrich and leipheimr really just happened in the last few km


Note that Armstrongs closest teamate was POPOVYCH Yaroslav (who still leads in the youth standings) who was 4 minutes back-- so while the team is a big factor in his success, Armstrong still proves why he is the leader. When he needs to go it alone he can.

Overall standings

1 001 ARMSTRONG Lance DSC USA
2 057 RASMUSSEN Mickael RAB DEN 01' 41"
3 021 BASSO Ivan CSC ITA 02' 46"
4 011 ULLRICH Jan TMO GER 04' 34"
5 164 LEIPHEIMER Levi GST USA 04' 45"
6 066 LANDIS Floyd PHO USA 05' 03"
7 031 MANCEBO Francisco IBA ESP 05' 03"
8 014 KLÖDEN Andréas TMO GER 05' 38"
9 019 VINOKOUROV Alexandre TMO KAZ 07' 09"
10 101 MOREAU Christophe C.A FRA 08' 37"
11 096 JAKSCHE Jorg LSW GER 08' 52"
12 044 EVANS Cadel DVL AUS 09' 14"
13 007 POPOVYCH Yaroslav DSC UKR 09' 59"
14 161 TOTSCHNIG Georg GST AUT 10' 39"
15 199 ZUBELDIA Haimar EUS ESP 11' 43"
16 023 JULICH Bobby CSC USA 11' 54"
17 108 KASHECHKIN Andrey C.A KAZ 12' 55"
18 026 SASTRE Carlos CSC ESP 13' 53"
19 151 MAZZOLENI Eddy LAM ITA 14' 06"
20 111 GARZELLI Stefano LIQ ITA 17' 12"

With a minute 41 lead Armstrong is looking real good to win. Basically if he can do well tomorrow, it should be essentially over ( barring crashes or injury) I just can't see anyone picking up 2 minutes plus on him on the flat stages

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Did he win yet?

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quote:
ote that Armstrongs closest teamate was POPOVYCH Yaroslav (who still leads in the youth standings) who was 4 minutes back-- so * snip *


Sure of that?

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its over - 2 46 ahead of basso, not a time trialer, and over 3 minutes ahead of rasmussen, 5+ over Ullrich, 9+ over vinokourove, Kloden.

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