11-08-2005 16:51									#151
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quote: Originally posted by GeoModder Are you sure that less then 600000 people know where Mali is? Because in that case even it's population doesn't have a clue where they're living!

They're under the impression they were deleted by Alexander 01 . They've seceded and formed the Carthaginian Republic.

	11-08-2005 17:04									#152
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quote: @Heresson: 99,99% people of the world do not even know what or where is Mali.

Come on, you can do better than that. You've been around Poly long enough to know that kind of talk doesn't get anyone anywhere - or are you bent on keepin' the flamewars alive and kicking?

Back on track: while you are probably right that from the current world's population only a small (and utterly unkown) percentage may know what or where Mali is, it is not an issue: the same goes for a lot of other countries...

I feel this thread has been quite successful in showing that Mali is a noteworthy civ, even if many disagree. Are you trying to tell us that you don't like them because 'nobody' knows them?

	11-08-2005 17:30									#153
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OK. Mali isn't that bad. But only if Aethiopia is in as well.

	11-08-2005 17:45									#154
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	11-08-2005 17:45									#155
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Aethiopia!

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	11-08-2005 17:46									#156
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Aethiopia2!

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	11-08-2005 17:47									#157
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We could call it as well Nubia then.

	11-08-2005 17:48									#158
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Ethiopia!

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	11-08-2005 17:49									#159
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quote: Originally posted by GeoModder We could call it as well Nubia then.

Nubia was not that bad as well, but: Aethiopia!

	11-08-2005 17:53									#160
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But Mali is not that bad either...

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	11-08-2005 17:53									#161
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quote: @Heresson: Aethiopia!.

I don't think that's going to happen, but I agree: it would be nice to be able to play them too...

I think it's not going to be too difficult to mod the civs in that you want to play with, but then it's also true that you don't have the little extras out-of-the-box like the animated leaderheads etc... Maybe the guys at Firaxis would be willing to give us the templates they used for one of their leaderheads? Nah, not going to happen either

	11-08-2005 17:55									#162
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Ethiopia 4ever!! Haile Selassie I is our God! Rastafari is cool!
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	11-08-2005 18:02									#163
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But then the Italians need to be included as well. Didn't Mussolini managed to take the country?

	11-08-2005 18:13									#164
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Bella Abyssinia!

	12-08-2005 08:53									#165
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I'd love to see Ethiopia in the first expansion! (I know. It's too early to be talking about expansions. ) But only if it's not spelled with "Ae". Whenever I see that combo of letters, I want to pronounce it "Ayee".

	12-08-2005 14:25									#166
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quote: Originally posted by GeoModder But then the Italians need to be included as well. Didn't Mussolini managed to take the country?

Only after the Italians had severely underestimated the Ethiopians' zeal and willingness to fight and had been utterly defeated at Adowa.

Ultimately they resorted to the usual Fascist overkill in search of small triumphs- poison gas, aerial bombardment of undefended towns et cetera.

	12-08-2005 15:41									#167
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One sad thing is that Ethiopia is so poor...
A country with such long and glorious past has no modern-day accomplishments but winning a war against its former province.

	12-08-2005 16:01									#168
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson One sad thing is that Ethiopia is so poor... A country with such long and glorious past has no modern-day accomplishments but winning a war against its former province.

Losing, if you mean Eritrea.

	12-08-2005 18:18									#169
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom Only after the Italians had severely underestimated the Ethiopians' zeal and willingness to fight and had been utterly defeated at Adowa. Ultimately they resorted to the usual Fascist overkill in search of small triumphs- poison gas, aerial bombardment of undefended towns et cetera.

That's where the 'managed' comes into play.

	12-08-2005 18:38									#170
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom Losing, if you mean Eritrea.

Last time when there was Ethiopia vs Erithrea in the news, Ethiopia launched a successful offensive that made Erthrea beg for a peace treaty and Ethiopia got all the discussed territory. It's very probable I missed later news, though.
But perhaps You mean that Erithrea magaged to gain independance?

	13-08-2005 14:04									#171
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson Last time when there was Ethiopia vs Erithrea in the news, Ethiopia launched a successful offensive that made Erthrea beg for a peace treaty and Ethiopia got all the discussed territory. It's very probable I missed later news, though. But perhaps You mean that Erithrea magaged to gain independance?

Indeed.

	13-08-2005 16:27									#172
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Be more precise, plz

	13-08-2005 16:34									#173
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I'd guess he answered to the last sentence.

	13-08-2005 16:48									#174
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I guess so:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milit...war/eritrea.htm

quote: The most recent fighting resumed on 11 May 2000 when the Ethiopian forces made a major advance and captured a key border town inside what was considered to be Eritrean territory. (...) A peace agreement was signed on December 12, 2000 between Ethiopia and Eritrea putting an end to their two-year border war.

As we see, Ethiopia won the war, so Molly can refer only to the war of Eritrean independance. However, when I said that Ethiopia won

quote: a war against its former province.

it should have been clear that I didn't mean the first (independance) war, but the later boarder war; during the first war, Eritrea was an Ethiopian province, not a former Ethiopian province. Also, it would be more right to call independance war of Eritrea an uprising, not a war.

	13-08-2005 17:01									#175
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson Also, it would be more right to call independance war of Eritrea an uprising, not a war.

Not from the Eritrean's point of view, which is the whole point. Ethiopia unilaterally and illegally annexed Eritrea.

quote: ...the UN passed a resolution that formally federated Eritrea to Ethiopia. In September 1952, the agreement was put into practice and Ethiopians replaced the British. The international decision regarding the fate of Eritrea had little to do with the aspirations of the Eritrean people themselves.

http://www.open.org/~~tfl/eritrea/history.html

	13-08-2005 17:11									#176
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I know this, but it's irrelevant. I've ment boarder war.

	13-08-2005 17:20									#177
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson I know this, but it's irrelevant. I've ment boarder war.

quote: Be more precise, plz

	13-08-2005 17:27									#178
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As I've written in my previous posts, only during war in the 90s Eritrea was Ethiopia's former province. Also, it'd be nice if You did not expect me to don't know what I'm talking about. If I say Ethiopia won a war, and there were more than one of which one was won, I mean the one that was won.

	13-08-2005 17:39									#179
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson Also, it'd be nice if You did not expect me to don't know what I'm talking about.

Really ?

quote: Btw, Mali sux.

Indeed ?

quote: Be more precise, plz

O.k. so:

quote: 99,99% people of the world do not even know what or where is Mali.

Consistency is everything:

quote: OK. Mali isn't that bad.

	13-08-2005 18:17									#180
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Mali sux, but almost all subsaharean Africa does. In comparison with others Mali's not that bad.