23-07-2005 03:38									#151
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quote: Originally posted by Epublius Rex Sigh- http://www.thetech.org/genetics/ask.php?id=67 "Except when people are of mixed ancestry, red hair in Africans is usually caused by a kind of albinism. When people think of albinos, they tend to think of white hair, pale skin and red eyes. While this is true for Caucasians, albinism works differently in people of African descent. There are a few different kinds of albinism in people of African descent, but the one that gives red hair is called rufous albinism. People with this condition have a red-bronze skin color, ginger-red hair, and blue or brown eyes." Don't you ever get tired................... All you did was confirm what I said. You did not prove me wrong. Saying that albinos are pure white is not true. You have not corrected that. The link above is for your clarification. I found it long ago when I stumbled across an Afro-centric website claiming that whites with red hair are proof that africans colonized Europe- i.e. that red haired white people are evidence of race mixing. The poor deluded fellow. I wrote him and gave him that link.

I am sorry where did I say that they were pure white??? I said the skin color as well has hair color has to do with the level of loss of pigmentation. Time to reread what I did say. And not qoute me on your own speculation.

	23-07-2005 03:42									#152
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quote: Originally posted by Epublius Rex Umm, I just did. That- what you just did, is called a strawman. It's not a valid argument. And that thread on GGS, I made no mistakes as to history, time and place. You may not agree with my assertion that culture, amongst many other things, plays a central role in history, but you cannot fault my order of events.

Don't know anything about your GGS thread whatever that is so I will just ignore it.

I really have problems calling your lack of knowledge of history a "strawman". You make claims and you give arguments to support them. when you fail to do this, people burn you - rightfully.

If you realy knew what you where talking about, you could never have made such a mistake as the NKVD
/KGB.

	23-07-2005 03:53									#153
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Pray tell, what does that link have to do with your patently false assertion that the NAACP ousted its Jewish Founders? Yet another link from you which has little relevance to the matter at hand!

Did you read it? It is the justification for their ouster. you know, they were treacherous himies.

It is hard to pull up a non anti-semtic website from google using "jewish" or "jew" in the search parameters, let alone "NAACP". All the links in the first pages refer back to white supremacist websites like national alliance.

This is the best I can do, and even the website reviewing the book is not so hot:

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v10/v10p-91_Grubach.html

http://www.vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/...ubach91-98.html

But the break between blacks and Jews in the arena of civil rights and their organizations had been old news for some time. It's why Jesse Jackson could make that statement and why the leadership of the various black organizations have seen fit to ally themselves with Farrakahn (SP) in recent times:

http://www.blacksandjews.com/Bond.ADL.html

There is no love lost between these two groups. Expulsion of the Jews has brought economic ruin on the NAACP.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/opinio...oncol_0716.html

They, the Jews, were their biggest benefactors.

	23-07-2005 04:00									#154
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quote: Originally posted by BlackCat Don't know anything about your GGS thread whatever that is so I will just ignore it. I really have problems calling your lack of knowledge of history a "strawman". You make claims and you give arguments to support them. when you fail to do this, people burn you - rightfully. If you realy knew what you where talking about, you could never have made such a mistake as the NKVD /KGB.

Okay, whatever. If it makes you feel good, go for it. You live in a world were only opinion and feelings matter, I understand that.

You searched and searched to find a problem with something I said so you could pounce on it, now, look a good little doggie, you will pull and tear at it until you feel good, then you will walk away.

But, since you set the parameters of this silly side show, you are now in question, since the NKVD did not come into being until after Hitler had taken power and after his alliance with Stalin had begun, you see, it was formerly called the "GPU" (which I should have known just from watching "Reilly, Ace of Spies") Which means you and your posts are now suspect and to be ignored.

it's fun how that works, isn't it? Ergo, by logic, I can now discount and forget your entire post/argument.

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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski I am sorry where did I say that they were pure white??? I said the skin color as well has hair color has to do with the level of loss of pigmentation. Time to reread what I did say. And not qoute me on your own speculation.

I did read it, your post actually added absolutely nothing to anything, except to make the rather obvious statement that albinism was the total loss or near total loss of melanin, and that was it. ANd stating that I was wrong. WHich either alluded to the statement that African albinos existed or that they, though albinos, were still dark skinned. Which they are not, so you are therefore either wrong, off-base, or irrelevant, take your pick. "Dark red bronze skin" tone is hardly light skinned. Nor would anyone call blue eyes as being devoid of melanin or red hair, for that matter.

We have now devolved from the original topic which was "should white people be allowed to form a political party for whites only" To nonsensical side issues, which I take to mean that you cannot find legitimate cause (other then hatred) for denying whites the Constitutional right to form a political party.

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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Yes, it's indeed sad that you can't give a straightforward answer and desperately try to change topics. I wasn't the one stereotyping rednecks, that was you. I never said all rednecks were southerners--merely pointed out that, as a southerner, I'd known many (since it's generally acknowledged the South has a disproportionate amount of them). You, however, asserted rednecks were racist. I pointed out that I've known many, and that is an untrue generalization. Now here you are trying to lecture me on what constitutes a redneck? Funny. And yes, sad.

I have not tried to change the topic- that is all of you who want to refer to other issues- I stuck on the target of the racial hatred and desire to deprive a group of people their Constitutional right to form a political party- just like other racial groups do in America. When you and your ilk could not find any reasonable means of depriving them of this right, you then devolved in petty attacks, which means, in internet debating etiquette that you have lost.

So go ahead, beat on dead issue and things not associated with the topic heading.

I am going to out for dinner and a show now.

	23-07-2005 04:21									#157
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quote: Originally posted by Epublius Rex I did read it, your post actually added absolutely nothing to anything, except to make the rather obvious statement that albinism was the total loss or near total loss of melanin, and that was it. ANd stating that I was wrong. WHich either alluded to the statement that African albinos existed or that they, though albinos, were still dark skinned. Which they are not, so you are therefore either wrong, off-base, or irrelevant, take your pick. "Dark red bronze skin" tone is hardly light skinned. Nor would anyone call blue eyes as being devoid of melanin or red hair, for that matter. We have now devolved from the original topic which was "should white people be allowed to form a political party for whites only" To nonsensical side issues, which I take to mean that you cannot find legitimate cause (other then hatred) for denying whites the Constitutional right to form a political party.

You are still way off base on anything i said as far as albinos are concerned. But to snawer your question sure the whites can form a party, wheter they will be given any serious thought is another question. I really dont care who starts a political party. And for the record you are stating what you said not what I said , I never brought the word albino up, Or even care to discuss it further.

	23-07-2005 04:25									#158
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quote: Originally posted by Epublius Rex Okay, whatever. If it makes you feel good, go for it. You live in a world were only opinion and feelings matter, I understand that. You searched and searched to find a problem with something I said so you could pounce on it, now, look a good little doggie, you will pull and tear at it until you feel good, then you will walk away. But, since you set the parameters of this silly side show, you are now in question, since the NKVD did not come into being until after Hitler had taken power and after his alliance with Stalin had begun, you see, it was formerly called the "GPU" (which I should have known just from watching "Reilly, Ace of Spies") Which means you and your posts are now suspect and to be ignored. it's fun how that works, isn't it? Ergo, by logic, I can now discount and forget your entire post/argument.

Do you really think that I needed to make any kind of research to figure out that you didn't know anyhing about NKVD/KGB ? That has ben common knowledlege for years

Oh, they also had the name GPU - well, I might have been unprecise when I mentioned those organisations names - nevertheless, I is not me that makes claims - it is you.

I don't mind that you have your own opinion, but I seriously mind if you base it upon statements that by all means is wrong. At last, I really hate it when you try to make claims that are impossible, such as the KGB/hitler statement - idiots may belive you

	23-07-2005 04:39									#159
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The NKVD was just the new name of the Cheka, which was formed by Dzerzhinsky in 1919 in order to combat the White Terror.

Let's see, 1933 - 1919 = 14. Yet again we see ER playing fast and loose with "the facts."

	23-07-2005 04:56									#160
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Grrr - I really hate it when a commie leftist agree with me - it totally spoils my image of being a rightwinger

	23-07-2005 04:57									#161
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Nyah nyah!

Even conservatives can be correct occassionally.

	23-07-2005 05:00									#162
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Nah, what really worries me is that even your kind can undestand me - that is pretty scary .

	23-07-2005 05:20									#163
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quote: Originally posted by Epublius Rex But hey, let's worry about the KKK. I hear dey be burnin down dem churches and rapin the folks back home all the time these days.

The KKK are gutless punks. They only do that when they have the law on their side and they can get away with it. Sort of like the way you only talk **** behind a DL, and would never talk it to our faces.

	23-07-2005 05:38									#164
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quote: Originally posted by Epublius Rex Did you read it? It is the justification for their ouster. you know, they were treacherous himies.

Yeah, I did, and it says no such thing. Cite a sentence saying this. All I see is railing against the NAACP for still honoring Spingarn. How could the NAACP have ousted him, but still have an award in his name, hmmm?

I asked for something proving the NAACP had ousted it's Jewish founders, which was the preposterous statement you made. I still await proof of that.

quote: It is hard to pull up a non anti-semtic website from google using "jewish" or "jew" in the search parameters, let alone "NAACP". All the links in the first pages refer back to white supremacist websites like national alliance.

Funny, I googled "jewish NAACP," and most of the links that came up weren't anti-semetic sites, though a few were. You wouldn't be.. *gasp* lying again, would you?

quote: http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v10/v10p-91_Grubach.html http://www.vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/...ubach91-98.html

Why would you link twice to the exact same review? It's just two pages with the same thing. My my, you didn't, perhaps, fail to carefully read your own links yet again, did you? Or are you knowingly trying to pad out your nonexistent case?

Nothing in that (single) review proves your statement whatsoever. Please feel free to actually quote a statement in it that says the NAACP ousted its Jewish founders.

quote: But the break between blacks and Jews in the arena of civil rights and their organizations had been old news for some time. It's why Jesse Jackson could make that statement and why the leadership of the various black organizations have seen fit to ally themselves with Farrakahn (SP) in recent times: http://www.blacksandjews.com/Bond.ADL.html There is no love lost between these two groups. Expulsion of the Jews has brought economic ruin on the NAACP. http://www.palmbeachpost.com/opinio...oncol_0716.html They, the Jews, were their biggest benefactors.

None of these links prove your ludicrous statement. The first is a Farrakhan disciple decrying the NAACP for accepting Jewish money, which hardly indicates the NAACP has "ousted" it's Jews. And the second doesn't even MENTION Jews. Oh wait, it's Palm Beach...must mean it's about Jews, eh? Too predictable.

That tension has occured between black and Jewish groups isn't the issue. The issue is your claim, which is 100% false, that the NAACP "kicked the Jewish founders out years ago." There is utterly no truth to this statement, and you've not offered one bit of substantiation for it. Why not just quit while you're ahead and admit you lied?

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quote: Originally posted by Epublius Rex you then devolved in petty attacks, which means, in internet debating etiquette that you have lost.

That would mean you lost once you first posted on Apolyton, wouldn't it? I mean, every post you've made has been dripping with insults. You are the biggest loser!

quote: I am going to out for dinner and a show now.

What's the show? Undoubtedly Birth of a Nation, so you can weep for the bygone days, eh?

	23-07-2005 05:49									#166
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara The NKVD was just the new name of the Cheka, which was formed by Dzerzhinsky in 1919 in order to combat the White Terror. Let's see, 1933 - 1919 = 14. Yet again we see ER playing fast and loose with "the facts."

Don't dare say he has a math problem, however. He did tell us, after all, that he was in the upper 99% of the population when it came to IQ.

Personally, I think that may be an overestimation.

	23-07-2005 06:22									#167
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bout freakin time. I'de join it. Dont let what happened in slum shithole beat the **** out of whitey California happen to Nevada.

On another note For some reason its seen as racist for whites to organize in any form. Minutemen/you name it. Yet others do it.


There's no such thing as "racism," and I won't sit here and defend or even valiantly adopt some nonsense ism created to give human nature a bad name. If I want to live with my own, if I don't find others not of my kind attractive, if I feel race mixing with them is a wrong, even if I perhaps actively dislike them, it is my right to do so. The only solution to this is to allow me the right of free association once more, not forcibly throw me with the lions and accuse me of some moronic transgression against a superficial societal more because I am complaining of being torn apart by the animals.

Like "white supremacist," "anti-Semite" and "neo-Nazi," "racism" a clown word. I have yet to meet a supremacist or someone who is "against" Semites, mexicans or anything else. These terms should provoke laughter instead of defiant acceptance.


There is no thing as "racism."

This post will no doubt incite many to reply. I will not respond. I dont feel neccessary to prove anything and defending my opinions on internet forums is about as pointless as racing minivans. No one wins, everyone here is the loser.

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Not in a necessary resonse to FG but there is a thing as racism and it occurs when the ignorant care rear the ugly head. Tho im not sure as to why we need the exta drama but needless to say it it is here.

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Am I the only one who finds white supremacists insufferably cute? That raging, ineffectual hatred and fear of darkies under the bed; the pseudo-intellectual attempts to justify being a small-minded little bigot with big words they barely understand; basing their entire pride and self-worth around the skin pigmentation they were born with; those adorable ghost outfits - it's all just so cute! Look out! Melanin! Coming to get you! Rarr!

There's always going to be violent and outspoken hatemongers, and they'll always find something to be violent, outspoken and hatemongering about. It's more the continuation of subtle undercurrents of racism among large numbers of otherwise fairly well-adjusted people in the general populace that worries me.
Over here, we've fairly recently seen the rise (and fall) of a quite successful nationalist party that garnered a hell of a lot of votes in some areas and managed to actually snag themselves a couple of parliamentary seats. And then the incumbent conservative party very successfully appealed to latent racial fear to dramatically win back a previously slumping share of the vote. Nasty stuff, and that's what's really scary to me - that so many people could find such campaigns persuasive rather than utterly vile.

A bunch of clowns poncing about in their replica SS uniforms and whining about the Man keeping them down? Whatever.

	23-07-2005 08:39									#170
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quote: Originally posted by Epublius Rex Black albinos are still dark skinned.

Maybe you should meet some of my patients, oh learned one.

	23-07-2005 08:44									#171
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quote: Originally posted by Ghidorah Look out! Melanin! Coming to get you! Rarr!

But, nevertheless,

	23-07-2005 08:44									#172
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	23-07-2005 11:49									#173
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Why do you even bother with him any more ... i think his moronicism and stupidity are adequately proven in this forum. /ignore him, and move on

	23-07-2005 12:09									#174
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quote: Originally posted by Epublius Rex You lost that one too.

You're in a very small minority holding that opinion, my boy. Anyway, anytime you think you can provide proof that blacks commit more crimes due to inherent racial factors, feel free to post it.

Just don't make the mistake of using conviction/imprisonment stats again.

	23-07-2005 15:41									#175
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory There's no such thing as "racism," and I won't sit here and defend or even valiantly adopt some nonsense ism created to give human nature a bad name.

Funny how a lot of humans don't have that nature.

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quote: Why? because as I look around the world, they [whites] are the only ones allowing people of a different race to migrate to their countries

Then you haven't looked enough.

In most African countries it's much easier to immigrate if you're white than if you're black (considering that white immigrants are supposed to be rich). In Japan, despite a culture where racism is more accepted than in the west, you'll find migrants from both Americas, Europe, and even (to a small extent) Africa.

	23-07-2005 17:23									#177
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This thread has devolved into that Ep-Rex accusing us of using personal attacks to weaken his argument when HE'S the same guy that FIRST started calling us idiots.

I don't care if he's a flametroll, a DL or whatever. And despite if whether or not my point of view might fall in parallel with the other leftists...

It's people like this, that just want to provoke people just for sh**s and giggls that deserve to be locked up, squashed, and silenced. Aggravating people just because YOU CAN doesn't make it right.

Nowadays, people seem to be abusing their rights up to the point where they should be revoked. Hey, you abuse it. You lose it.

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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp You're in a very small minority holding that opinion, my boy. Anyway, anytime you think you can provide proof that blacks commit more crimes due to inherent racial factors, feel free to post it. Just don't make the mistake of using conviction/imprisonment stats again.

Exactly. We could go into S.E.S. (socioeconomic status) but that would probably be too complex for some people. African-Americans don't commit more crimes just because of their skin. It goes into where they are more dominant in population and whatnot.

Example, studies in corrections say that in Alaska most of the individuals interned there are mostly Inuit or other native alaskan tribe. Well, DUH!!!, if the population is mostly Native Alaskan, those interned BETTER be Native Alaskan and not Palauan.

Retards. Common sense.

(and yes, I study correctional statistics.)

	23-07-2005 17:38									#179
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A white people's party in Nevada has to be very careful to stay in the shade at all times.

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a "white people" party or any other such party should in principle be allowed to exist but since they tend to go around causing trouble it must be monitored. actually from a public safety POV it is better to let it exist so that you ghet all of them gathered there together and it is more easy to control them.