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Is Easter a Better Release Date for Civ 4? (Time out:0 days after 23-07-2005, 02:13)
Yes. It's like getting two extra patches!
Neutral. I suppose it might help but probably not much.
No. Firaxis will lose money, and I'll lose playing time.
Bananas are already beta testing.
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yin26 is offline yin26
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PETITION: Delay Civ 4 Until Easter...Please Sign! Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

O.K. Now don't skin me. Here's my thinking: The entire world will be out buying all kinds of garbage games (and some good ones) for the Christmas holiday, mainly because publishers feel this is the opportune time to sell games, ready or not.

But Civ is different -- People will buy it because it's Civ, not because it's Christmas. The world could be ending in 24 hours and people would line up (after kissing family members) to get a few final turns in. And think about it: Come Easter, most gamers will be absolutely starved for a blockbuster like Civ 4. After all the twitch and scratch gaming ends post Christmas, this wouldn't just be a Easter basket stuffer--it would be the Easter Basket Bonanza that could revitalize the true Pagan spirit of the holiday! Besides, the younger gamers could pass this off as preparing for history class, and all will be right in the homes of millions, not to mention the world's I.Q. would rise a few points by early May, and that *has* to be good.

Also consider that you only get a patch or two for a game (most games) and that's it. Imagine what Firaxis could do with 4 extra months of dev time! Yes, I know this is the publisher's decision... unless a sudden flu outbreak seizes the offices and the Firaxis crew just caaaan't make the Christmas deadline.

Tell you what Firaxis: If you let this release date slip to Easter, I'll send the entire team there all our left over Easter candy. Heck, all of Apolyton's left over candy. Now don't hide the fact that programmers eat that stuff like manna!

Therefore, he or she who puts his or her name below testifies to wanting a better Civ...and a better human existence for all of us, darn it.

Signed,

-=Yin=-

Modo44 is offline Modo44
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I doubt Firaxis has the final word on this. I think the publisher does. Therefore , as we can do squat to make them delay the game.

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Sep 2001
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NO, because
1. Firaxis is the developer, but Take2 calls the shots so it wouldn't work anyway;
2. While Firaxis has many more playtesters with this rendition, after it is on sale all the purchasers do a MUCH more thorough job because there are so many more of them;
3. It is good to support Firaxis by purchasing games and expansions (sorry, off on a tangent here); and
4. YES, I DO want Civ4 sooner rather than later.

Wait until it's perfect and it will never be released, Firaxis will go belly up, and yin26 will have fewer opportunities to express his negativity.

H Tower is offline H Tower
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  Old Post 23-07-2005 02:36
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I think you're wrong about it being civ and not needing christmas. For people like us, that's true, but we are far from representative of the population of gamers.

As an aside, do you think firaxis can do a better job of finding bugs up until easter than we as a community could do? An easter release will just delay finding many of the bugs that will ship with the game.

yin26 is offline yin26
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Like I said, Civ 4 would be the perfect after Christmas gift. Let the competing high of all the other gifts go stale, then hammer yourself (or a loved one) with something Civ during the dead season.

As for the public catching more bugs, etc., of course that's going to happen. But I suspect that Firaxis has a few more great ideas they could slip in, and certainly the beta testers are hard at work uncovering stuff.

Look, I'm sure that it's all about Christmas, but I'm equally sure a release dates pushed back to Easter would be cause for Civ joy.

Dis is offline Dis
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What a silly poll.

Just don't release the game until it's finished and all the major bugs have been eliminated.

yin26 is offline yin26
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One banana vote. Check.

Sabre2th is offline Sabre2th
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I do agree that a release during the dead space after the holidays could help draw new players, but a delay isn't going to help the game itself in any significant way. Most of the big issues will be fixed by Christmas and Apolyton (and similar sites) will beat the game and its bugs into submission much more effectively than the playtesters ever could.

On top of that, there's no way Take2 would delay the release. It would cost them more money, which they aren't likely to make back, even if they release it during the dead space after the new year.

Voted no

yin26 is offline yin26
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quote:
and yin26 will have fewer opportunities to express his negativity.


C'mon, though. Give me a chance.

Sabre2th: Quit being reasonable. It's ruining my thread.

Dr Zoidberg is offline Dr Zoidberg

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As I probably won´t have any money to buy a new PC to play Civ on until next year I could as well wait for easter. So, Yes!

asleepathewheel is offline asleepathewheel
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So how is that beta going yin?

yin26 is offline yin26
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That's the spirit! Some more reasons to wait for Easter before releasing Civ 4!

1. Won't have a suitable PC to play Civ 4 on by then.
2. Will be very busy that time of year with family, and Civ 4 at Christmas would do harm to various relationships.
3. Get depressed during Christmas, and ICS would likely push you over the edge.
4. Need more time to finish playing Rome Total War now that the Total Realism mod is going to be released today.

yin26 is offline yin26
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So how is that beta going yin?


yin26 is offline yin26
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Ack! From the Total Realism site:

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We are sorry to inform you all that Rome: Total Realism 6.0 will have to be delayed yet again. There are numerous reasons we have decided to delay again.


Shoot. What's that holiday after Easter? Isn't there another mythical creature holiday some time after? Let's see...after magical bunnies, isn't it fire-breathing puppies? (On a serious note, this RTR delay really hurts.)

Aro is offline Aro
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Nooooo!
I want CivIV as soon as possible.

Kuciwalker is offline Kuciwalker
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quote:
Originally posted by yin26
O.K. Now don't skin me. Here's my thinking: The entire world will be out buying all kinds of garbage games (and some good ones) for the Christmas holiday, mainly because publishers feel this is the opportune time to sell games, ready or not.

But Civ is different -- People will buy it because it's Civ, not because it's Christmas. The world could be ending in 24 hours and people would line up (after kissing family members) to get a few final turns in. And think about it: Come Easter, most gamers will be absolutely starved for a blockbuster like Civ 4. After all the twitch and scratch gaming ends post Christmas, this wouldn't just be a Easter basket stuffer--it would be the Easter Basket Bonanza that could revitalize the true Pagan spirit of the holiday! Besides, the younger gamers could pass this off as preparing for history class, and all will be right in the homes of millions, not to mention the world's I.Q. would rise a few points by early May, and that *has* to be good.

Also consider that you only get a patch or two for a game (most games) and that's it. Imagine what Firaxis could do with 4 extra months of dev time! Yes, I know this is the publisher's decision... unless a sudden flu outbreak seizes the offices and the Firaxis crew just caaaan't make the Christmas deadline.

Tell you what Firaxis: If you let this release date slip to Easter, I'll send the entire team there all our left over Easter candy. Heck, all of Apolyton's left over candy. Now don't hide the fact that programmers eat that stuff like manna!

Therefore, he or she who puts his or her name below testifies to wanting a better Civ...and a better human existence for all of us, darn it.

Signed,

-=Yin=-


No.

Firaxis is spending several months, at least, JUST polishing this game. I doubt an extra six months would be a good investment for the return.

SpencerH is offline SpencerH
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Sorry but part of the reason I've bought shares in Gamestop now (GME for you home gamers) is cos of CIV4. No man may delay its appearance now, I want my filthy lucre!

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The delay of Total Realism 6.0 is a blow to my psyche. I have absolutely nothing to play and I had hoped to have a few campaigns to keep me occupied.

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Petition to what?

Kick the poll in the head?

What a dumb idea!

Protra3211 is offline Protra3211
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I have picked up games that have been worked on for more than 2 years and still there were problems.
I think there is a point where the best we should hope for is good working features with easy to use interface.
Most of all no CTD,s
Holes in the AI logic will happen as we get used to how it plays . A patch or two is par for the course.

yin26 is offline yin26
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LOL! Man, you try to pass a little time before Civ 4 comes out, and some people get huffy. Sheesh!

As for problems with the game, of course there will be some. This is why I'm covering two threads: This one and the making mods easy one. Neither thread is intended to be a high-brow piece, but they speak to my main concerns, namely a cookie cutter Civ tailored for the holiday crowd and the public's ability to mod the thing back together.

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Originally posted by yin26
Sabre2th: Quit being reasonable. It's ruining my thread.


Sorry....I know common sense has no place in a Yin thread.

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I'm with ya Yin, but with Take2's stock taking a hit on this GTA nonsense, there is no way Civ4 is going to be delayed, even if it is shipped and crashes to desktop on installation for every consumer out there.

Vince278 is offline Vince278
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I don't see the idea of actually delaying the game going too far.

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Let's see if the game actually DESERVES being delayed

H Tower is offline H Tower
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Petition to what?

Kick the poll in the head?

What a dumb idea!


your post was dumber than the poll though

Trifna is offline Trifna
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* Trifna goes rolling on the floor laughin, stops to get himself a banana, and gets back to his rolling

I have more confidence in marketting department and developers to judge of the best balance.


Oh.... and Yin or whoever interested: how much would you each pay to send them a Sid bronze in chocolate for Easter?

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Originally posted by Sabre2th
I do agree that a release during the dead space after the holidays could help draw new players, but a delay isn't going to help the game itself in any significant way. Most of the big issues will be fixed by Christmas and Apolyton (and similar sites) will beat the game and its bugs into submission much more effectively than the playtesters ever could.

On top of that, there's no way Take2 would delay the release. It would cost them more money, which they aren't likely to make back, even if they release it during the dead space after the new year.

Voted no


do you like being unpaid testers? guinea pigs as it were?

I expect a game with no major bugs.

for instance: Play the world. The game came out touting multiplayer. Multiplayer didn't work. That's a disgrace that they needed a patch to deliver the main feature advertised.

Platypus Rex is offline Platypus Rex

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after listening to Jeff Briggs say November this year...

NO..NO..

My work aniversary is up by then, and with 100+hours to burn

..I know how I am spending them

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this poll was doomed from the start
yin just wanted an excuse so he can say "i told you so" if something bad happens

 
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