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Originally posted by Dis
do you like being unpaid testers? guinea pigs as it were?
I expect a game with no major bugs.
for instance: Play the world. The game came out touting multiplayer. Multiplayer didn't work. That's a disgrace that they needed a patch to deliver the main feature advertised. |
Civ4 can't be compared to Civ3 in that respect. The situation is completely different here. Not to mention, they've already tested Civ4 more than they ever did PTW, with still a lot more time left.
As far as being an unpaid tester, no I wouldn't mind. People here will whine about the game no matter what it's like when it comes out. Any balancing that is done here will be better than what Firaxis can accomplish (dozens/hundreds of fanatics balancing a game is nothing to sneeze at). Anyway, this isn't exactly going to be a repeat of CTP2, either.
Not that any of this stuff I've said matters. The great thing about your kind of pessimism is that you don't need a strong basis for your posts and nothing I say will change your mind. It's a win-win for you, over in Dis land. This is my opinion. It's different from yours.
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Originally posted by Dis
Pessimism? I think you are confusing me with Yin. |
He's much worse than you, but you're also a pessimist if you're assuming that it will be extremely buggy. We have no way of knowing that without a big chunk of inside information that we would never actually get.
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Sir! Why do you keep clicking on me?
Dec 2000
time: 15:37
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And as for only having problems with the graphics? Bullshit mate! You spin more crap with that ONE comment that George Bush has his whole presidancy! 
You've said the graphics are crap, the design is crap, the team is crap, the concepts will be crap (mindless distracting minigames I think you said), and many such other comments. To state otherwise just highlights your hypocracy. To me all I see is another round of Yin-promoting, neandathilic chest-beating, and general "I'm great" crowing to gain minions under your wing to fill their minds full of unproven, untested, unknown comments about Civ4. No one can say anything about Civ4 yet as a playable, bugfree, fun game as it's not released (and those who have it I'm sure as hell won't be allowed to say anything).
Give us all some credit mate, we can read. 
Dale
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yin26
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This space reserved for Darkstar.
Apr 1999
time: 14:37
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Show me anywhere I say that I'm *only* worried about graphics. If you can read, go for it. And please don't lecture me about how Civ 3 "progressed." Trust me, I was there.
Firaxis has become a remake machine, and anything that isn't a pet project of Sid's will be predictable and tedious (you did get that, right?)...and, it seems, pretty ugly in the case of Civ 4. And what is seeing into the future but extrapolating from firm patterns?
Of course I don't mind all the baseless excitement. You're kids in a candy shop many of you --- you're the easily-pleased masses for whom the game is being watered down and served to. Bravo. The *only* thing I read that's promising about Civ 4 is the modding ability so that those who want a real challenge in this softball tournament of a remake will be able to make a real game of it.
And as for the reviews that are likely to come out, Gamespot gave Civ 3 a 9.2 -- and here is the tag line:
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In fact, you might even be disappointed when you start your first game of what feels like a warmed-over version of Civ II. But this feeling fades with time. The more you play, the more you'll realize that the new game's seemingly subtle changes have a significant impact. |
Right. Let's hear it for subtle changes that only become apparent after wading through hours of warmed-over gaming! Hurrah!
So, to recap for those who seem not really able to read:
*Civ 4 will be a warmed over remake with sparkly graphics designed to fool the otherwise uncritical gamer into thinking that they actually have something new in front of them.
* Many at Poly will look at and overexaggerate any little "change" (wow, the next turn button is in the upper left now!) in an effort to justify their fanboy syndrome.
* And even though this has become such par for the course I'm numb to it now, there will be bugs that Firaxis will try to pawn off as feature and/or with sentiments to the effect of "Gamers actually enjoy bugs because it gives them something to talk about and their community would fall apart with nothing else to do were it not for the bugs." Yes, Firaxis QA has said this in the past.
* Once again we'll realize that when Sid doesn't take firm control of a project, you get mediocrity at best and total garbage at worst. I suspect Civ 4 will be mediocre in most every way.
* Finally, the modding abilities are the game's saving grace. Bravo to Firaxis for understanding at least that much.
That's my stance on Civ 4. Print it out if you care to tell me again what I really think. And I'll just end by saying that for every fanboy statement, surely the counter feeling is allowed to be expressed here without the personal attacks, right? Not that I really care. I've survived some of the biggest flamewars ever hosted at Poly, but one would hope for better of people.
Last edited by yin26 on 24-07-2005 at 18:00
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I respect your opinion, but I think your wrong. I donīt think Civ4 will be the greatest game ever. But Iīm convinced it will be good enough to keep me occupied for months to come after itīs released. I am after all a member in the easily pleased masses who wouldnīt understand a truly great game even if it bit me in the ass 
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