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JimmyCracksCorn
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Macedonia - Sovereign country north of Greece.
Dec 2002
time: 05:37
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Face it Mark. Killing Arabs = Good!
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BlackCat
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Originally posted by Gibsie
I would assume by the time they had him on the ground they'd worked out he was no threat, which is why executing him is okay, silly. |
How do you come to the conclusion that he was no threat just because they had grounded him ?
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JimmyCracksCorn
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Macedonia - Sovereign country north of Greece.
Dec 2002
time: 05:37
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Originally posted by Gibsie
You know, I'm sure I've seen the Israelis apprehend suspected suicide bombers without leaving their brains on the pavement a good few times. By what Jewery do they accomplish this? |
Quite true.
Its amazing that some people actually have the lack of reasoning necessary to defend this.
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BlackCat
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Originally posted by Gibsie
You know, I'm sure I've seen the Israelis apprehend suspected suicide bombers without leaving their brains on the pavement a good few times. By what Jewery do they accomplish this? |
How many of those was in a subway station with hundreds of people in the vicinity ?
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BlackCat
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Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn
Quite true.
Its amazing that some people actually have the lack of reasoning necessary to defend this. |
No, it is more amazing that people can't distinguish between a subway station and a checkpoint.
Last edited by BlackCat on 23-07-2005 at 23:47
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Edan
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Originally posted by General Ludd
That would be a justifiable precaution... if the man was actually involved in the bombings in some way. But apparently he was completely unconnected. The police would need to of had a reason to believe he had explosives on him, but apparently no such reason exists - either they where incompetant in their investigation, or reckless in their pursuit. |
How do you know that there existed no reason for the police to believe that he had explosives?
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:37
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Three officers had followed him to Stockwell station after he emerged from a nearby house that police believed to be connected with Thursday’s attempted bombings.
The suspect, described as being of Asian appearance and wearing a thick, bulky jacket, vaulted over a ticket barrier when challenged by police and ran down the escalator and along the platform of the Northern Line.
When the armed officers reached the platform with their guns drawn, they shouted at everyone to get down. As waiting passengers and those already on a train that had pulled into the station dived to the floor, the suspect jumped on the train. Two witnesses said that as he entered the train he tripped, ending up half in and half out of the carriage, on all fours. Within seconds, as the clock tower outside the station chimed 10am, the officers caught up with the man and pushed him hard to the floor. Witnesses said that they then fired up to five bullets into him at close range, killing him instantly.
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Alerted by the bulk of his jacket, police had followed the suspect on foot for some time and became concerned when he approached the Tube station.
After the officers were ordered to stop him from entering the station at all costs, they challenged him before he crossed the main road to the station.
When they drew their weapons and shouted “Stop, armed police”, the man looked over his shoulder and bolted. He was described as being very fit and agile. |
Why would an innocent man behave like he did, given what happened just the day before?
The answer is, while he didn't have a bomb:
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Police are describing him as an “intimate accomplice of the cell”. His name and address were thought to have been found among the possessions left by the would-be bombers on Thursday. |
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BlackCat
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Originally posted by Gibsie
I'm not entirely sure my initial claim that Israel has taken down suicide bombers without killing them is correct... but I'm sure if they seriously thought that a suspected suicide bomber could somehow still set off a bomb with three guys sitting on them, then they'd kill him in an instant. There may not be hundreds of people nearby in the situation we're hypothesising about, but I'm sure Israeli security officers value their own lives above a suicide bomber's. |
It is true that the Israelis has captured some suicide bombers, but unless I'm totally wrong, they have all been captured at checkpoints where a detonation of the bomb wouldn't have killed others.
One thing is to have three or more police persons pinning a suspect down - that usuaaally do the work, but if the person is suspected to be a suicidal maniac, the only secure thing is to kill the person. Might seem to be a brutal choice, but there are so many ways to trigger a bomb that even if a person is pinned down, he still may be able to trigger it.
The person that got killed asked for it - if he had stood still and talked with the police when they approached him, he would be alive today.
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