24-07-2005 00:05									#61
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG you revealed the shocking truth!?!

Just call me Poirot.

	24-07-2005 00:05									#62
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG punishable with the death penalty these days.....

Read the full post.

1) He was connected to the bombings from the day before (name/address found in remains)
2) He left a building under surveilance for potential terrorist activity
3) He had a big, bulky jacket on a warm summer day
4) The police said "Stop, armed police" at which point he looked over his shoulder then bolted into the station
5) He tried to get on the train

Given all of this, don't you think it would be a reasonable precaution to assume the bulk under his jacket could've been a bomb?

You'd have to be monumentally stupid to presume it's not a bomb and then have a 9th terrorist incident within just over a week occur...

	24-07-2005 00:07									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Asher You'd have to be monumentally stupid

The hallmarkg of trolling.

	24-07-2005 00:07									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Why would an innocent man behave like he did, given what happened just the day before? The answer is, while he didn't have a bomb:

Because were he arrested, especially given his connection, there's a good chance he'd have ended up in a maximum security British prison, with no access to lawyers, no trial, nothing but a life of indefinite imprisonment. That doesn't make running away the right thing for him to have done, but it makes it a little understandable.

	24-07-2005 00:09									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Gibsie Because were he arrested, especially given his connection, there's a good chance he'd have ended up in a maximum security British prison, with no access to lawyers, no trial, nothing but a life of indefinite imprisonment. That doesn't make running away the right thing for him to have done, but it makes it a little understandable.

Worst justification, ever.

And in the end, it doesn't matter why he did it. He ran from armed police who had very good reason to believe he was a terrorist with a bomb. Go figure -- he was killed before any potential device could be exploded.

	24-07-2005 00:11									#66
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quote: Originally posted by BlackCat It is true that the Israelis has captured some suicide bombers, but unless I'm totally wrong, they have all been captured at checkpoints where a detonation of the bomb wouldn't have killed others.

Detonation would have killed the people apprehending the bomber, which is enough for my point to stand... but it's a crap point anyway so let's move on

	24-07-2005 00:12									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Worst justification, ever. And in the end, it doesn't matter why he did it.

Then why did you ask why he would run, you numbskull?

There's a difference between justifying something and explaining why someone may have made the wrong decision. In your case, you're justifying the muder of an innocent man- in my case, I'm reasoning why someone may have made the wrong decision.

	24-07-2005 00:14									#68
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Clearly, running away from the cops was stupid, but that doesn't mean he deserved to die.

From the eyewitnesses I heard I got the impression they were already on top of him when they shot him. How could they not have simply handcuffed him? Unless they were expecting him to detonate the presumed bomb with his mind, as MarkG aptly put it.



Mark Whitby certainly got his 15 minutes of fame though.

	24-07-2005 00:16									#69
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Which is as likely as him having the detonator linked up to a device that goes off if his heart stops beating. What, don't look at me like that, I saw it in a Steven Segal movie once!!

	24-07-2005 00:19									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Gibsie There's a difference between justifying something and explaining why someone may have made the wrong decision. In your case, you're justifying the muder of an innocent man- in my case, I'm reasoning why someone may have made the wrong decision.

He is not an innocent man. Innocent men do not run from police who shout "Stop, armed police".

The very act itself makes him non-innocent, by definition.

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quote: Originally posted by Mercator Clearly, running away from the cops was stupid, but that doesn't mean he deserved to die.

I think running from cops who think you're about to be the 9th bomber in a week to try to maim hundreds of civilians, you do deserve to die as a precaution. Thems the breaks...

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quote: Originally posted by Asher I think running from cops who think you're about to be the 9th bomber in a week to try to maim hundreds of civilians, you do deserve to die as a precaution. Thems the breaks...

Will you please stop posting statements I just have to agree with ?

	24-07-2005 00:38									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Dauphin I doubt they would advertise that information.

So, zero terrorists arrested.

	24-07-2005 00:39									#74
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Maybe they should be like Spain and arrest random people and call them terrorists?

	24-07-2005 00:39									#75
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SKY says he was a Brazilian, not an Arab.

Edit:
What an interesting conicidence:
http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/Cd...44_3089,00.html

	24-07-2005 00:51									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Thorgal So, zero terrorists arrested.

They've made arrests, they haven't said who they are.

	24-07-2005 00:52									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Dauphin No, because the last time the police accidentally shot a bloke dead that they thought was a threat the officers in question got arrested for manslaughter.

are we going to have somtthing like that for this then?

	24-07-2005 00:53									#78
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The IPCC is already on the case.

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quote: Originally posted by Dauphin The hallmarkg of trolling.

he's been trying from page 1. he'll have to try harder....

	24-07-2005 01:00									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Eli What an interesting conicidence: http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/Cd...44_3089,00.html

for those too bored to click on the link:

quote: IDF forces and the police arrested a suicide bomber on Friday who infiltrated Israel from the Gaza Strip.

lets admit that British cops have far less experience and knowledge on how to treat possible suicide bombers than the IDF and simply chose to shoot first and ask questions later....

	24-07-2005 01:05									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Maybe they should be like Spain and arrest random people and call them terrorists?

Surely You have mistaken Spain with Guantamo.

	24-07-2005 01:06									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Maybe they should be like Spain and arrest random people and call them terrorists?

- thank you for posting something that I totally disagrees with. That would both be stupid and is at the same time unfair to the spanish police since it isn't what they do.

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quote: Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn Face it Mark. Killing Arabs = Good!

Make that Brazilian

quote: The man - thought to be Brazilian - died at Stockwell Tube in an incident Scotland Yard described as a "tragedy".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4711021.stm

	24-07-2005 01:34									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Asher He is not an innocent man. Innocent men do not run from police who shout "Stop, armed police". The very act itself makes him non-innocent, by definition.

He was probably running for the same reason a black person runs from a cop in LA...

	24-07-2005 01:34									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I think running from cops who think you're about to be the 9th bomber in a week to try to maim hundreds of civilians

And how was he to know that? Maybe he had something else on his mind/conscience.

	24-07-2005 02:04									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Winston As usual, Asher has it.

I hope you are kidding.

An innocent man dies, and Asher thinks it's funny.

	24-07-2005 02:25									#87
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aint it funny how british "media" used to present athens as an undefended city and the olympics bound to be drawn in blood and now they are living their own vile. and up to the core my good friends.
HA! more pathetic people are hard to find. about americans i wont say because they were living their own terror hysteria after 11/9.

to the point at hand though, this is serious. maybe the cops screwed up and said let's blow a darkie up noone gonna blame us. although i'm pretty sure the average brit has a lot more brains than types like asher (ok not too hard) and is of course diquitened by what happened. this could lead to racial problems, familiar to those in holland.
unfortuantely the masterplan of the archterrorists to divide up the world in two camps is going better and better. too bad, too bad.
also incident is what you describe if someone grabbed your behind in the metro, not when a bomb blows up.

one good thing out of all of this is bycicles. they dont pollute the environment and they're good for your body. everybody ride a bicycle i say. there is no evil devoided of good and vice versa.

	24-07-2005 02:28									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Of course, Ludd is completely correct. They should've done a full-scale international investigation on the guy's history, as well as published a detailed biography on the man before they decided to shoot a man they thought to have explosives on him.

Even just a very small bit of evidence would of been nice before they delt out his execution.


Living on the same block as a suspect and wearing baggy clothes doesn't cut it as far as death warrants go.

	24-07-2005 02:31									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Dis I hope you are kidding. An innocent man dies, and Asher thinks it's funny.

It's not funny, but it is incredibly stupid. It's Darwin-award material if he is innocent (which you can bet your sweet ass he's not -- he left a building already under surveillance).

	24-07-2005 02:32									#90
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quote: 1) He was connected to the bombings from the day before (name/address found in remains)

Where does it say that in the article? It seems like the cops should've been uniformed too... Without their bright yellow vests, and with guns, they must've looked like terrorists themselves.