08-09-2005 15:04									#181
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So Spartans have acquired 2-3 techs in the last few turns then. That Disco Volante we spotted last turn must have succeeded in acquiring a tech, probably Superstring Theory.

I'm starting to think that all Hive bases on the HG side will be encrypted. Perhaps we should move our probe foils to the south coast of the Hive.


Mart, ask the Gaians this: how about they give us the Bio-engineering tech in return for this AAA-drop plasma garrison? They have 2 abilities and a strong defensive unit, and don't need to upgrade or rushbuild a clean drop former for us. We can make our own clean formers then at once as well.

	08-09-2005 15:04									#182
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Maybe someone would take care of contact with Morgans? I have quite occupation with Gaians and other stuff.

Just some proposal:
- We can mention to them that we noticed Spartans already posses AMA, so we could trade this tech to them.
- Or simply tell them, that we could offer the following techs to them at the moment and ask, if they have something in exchange. Do not reveal what, since by this we would show we have infiltration

	08-09-2005 15:06									#183
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quote: Originally posted by GeoModder Mart, ask the Gaians this: how about they give us the Bio-engineering tech in return for this AAA-drop plasma garrison? They have 2 abilities and a strong defensive unit, and don't need to upgrade or rushbuild a clean drop former for us. We can make our own clean formers then at once as well.

You checked, that Spartans have Bio-engineering already? how? Should we first ask Gaians, if they can check this?
After all this whole stuff goes in order to prevent Spartans from getting clean ability.

	08-09-2005 15:16									#184
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Some misunderstanding here. AFAIK we can't see if Spartans have Bio-engineering or not. I just posted this without thinking if we would be the third party receiving this tech or not.

Edit: darn, I forgot, the Morgans already have that tech.
But looking at their tech direction now I predict the Morgans will try for Retroviral and Biomachinery now to get the Cloning Vats.

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	08-09-2005 17:25									#185
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Spartans have truce with Yang again.
I think, with the Morgans current research path, they will try to aim for Retroviral->Biomachinery (Cloning Vats)

Building proposals:
GeoMatrix: Childrens' Creche, but first crawler if the rehoming proposal (see below) goes through
Fungal Heights: Rec Commons or Network Node
Mart Pact: Rec Tanks

I suggest those two formers on 19.49 first to build a farm on their current tile instead of moving north. Plenty of time before a cp is started in Hercules Station, and Heavens Gate can popboom a bit in the meantime.
Keep those F6's at home for our defense or even patrol the sea between us and the Spartans. I want to know if they're around or not.

Move the probe foil towards Yang Mine and Labor Network and start the attempt for a techsteal action. That way we can check if the security encryption is increased or not. We can always stop the probe action when we get the choice of which faction to blame.

Since that GeoMatrix crawler has to move anyway, I suggest moving it towards Gemka's Loft and rehome it so it can stop nut decrease next turn or in two turns if it crawls this turn on 28.47 or something.

	08-09-2005 17:27									#186
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O yes, in case you want to get as many energy as possible, we need only a minimum of 2 thinkers to finish our research in 2 turns.

	08-09-2005 17:32									#187
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And something else I forgot to ask : Who's the contactperson with the Morgans for your question regarding techtrades?

	08-09-2005 18:42									#188
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quote: Move the probe foil towards Yang Mine and Labor Network and start the attempt for a techsteal action. That way we can check if the security encryption is increased or not. We can always stop the probe action when we get the choice of which faction to blame.

chances of steal even with the encryption are 75%,67%

quote: Since that GeoMatrix crawler has to move anyway, I suggest moving it towards Gemka's Loft and rehome it so it can stop nut decrease next turn or in two turns if it crawls this turn on 28.47 or something.

you mean the crawler on 32.74? .the crawler in geomatrix can be rushed for 12 EC.

make a rec common in fungal heights imo. does anybody else see the basescreen as showing 1happy\1drone but the psych sreen says 2happy? in another pbem i picked up from sebed,i compensated for massive drones based on that info. im wondering if i just way overshot

	08-09-2005 19:25									#189
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quote: Originally posted by Cataphract887 chances of steal even with the encryption are 75%,67%

It's not to steal things, just to check if the base already was visited by someone elses' probes.

quote: You mean the crawler on 32.74? .the crawler in geomatrix can be rushed for 12 EC.

If 32.74 is the crawler giving 2 mins to GM, then yes.

quote: make a rec common in fungal heights imo. does anybody else see the basescreen as showing 1happy\1drone but the psych sreen says 2happy? in another pbem i picked up from sebed,i compensated for massive drones based on that info. im wondering if i just way overshot

That's a bug in SMAX. The F4 screen is the correct situation.

	08-09-2005 23:01									#190
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quote: Lets also see if Morgans would like to trade PE for AMA.

edit

well i always call techs,like PlanEcon etc so

	08-09-2005 23:19									#191
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Planetary Economics. The tech which increases commerce income, and makes Hybrid Forests buildable.

	08-09-2005 23:40									#192
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they dont have it though? although in the futrue i suppose

	08-09-2005 23:52									#193
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Sloppy of me. They indeed don't have it.

Checking them, except for Superstring Theory they don't have anything interesting.

But we could make an open offer anyway, just to see what they respond.

	09-09-2005 00:57									#194
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I am still not sure Spartans have infiltration on us. I simply can't recall when we didn't have probe defence apart from the very start.

They are making it sound that they have, with hints. But if like us they want to keep faction infiltration secret, then why broadcast even to just us, this type of information.

	09-09-2005 01:03									#195
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it is true that we seem to have probe defences secure. and if they have probed us before,it must have been after CF....so perhaps they havnt. unless they let us grab that

but what base hasnt had cop's for quite a while? im thinking your right.if they DID had infil,they wouldnt tell us. and if they didnt,they would tell us...unless they do but tell us so we think they dont

	09-09-2005 01:51									#196
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I reckon there is a race to Fusion and a race to Silksteel.

What we urgently need, is infiltration of Spartans.

	09-09-2005 02:00									#197
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What we can do, as a substitute, is parking a bomber in Mart Pact and later in the new base and scout the former UN bases to see what's inthere. A bomber should be able to go there and return a few tiles so it wouldn't look to obvious.

And didn't you and Mart think that the Gaians could have infiltrated us last winter, Herc?

	09-09-2005 02:14									#198
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They are playing a mind game trying to see if we slip up and say something that will point to our having or not something.

They have tried the we know ploy to much for me to think they really have infiltration.

	09-09-2005 03:24									#199
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I have setup the new buildings as Geo proposed.
FH makes recreation commons also, there are 2 persons asking for it.

We might do crawler from GM rehoming next turn. It is now 3 tiles from the GL base, so it would have to spend idle turn there. In this case, I would propose rotate 2 crawlers. The GL one leaves the mine 27,75 and goes to forest 30,76. The GM crawler goes to mine 27,75. GL can run this one turn on -1 nutrient. We will fix it next turn. This way we can use GL crawler for HSA insted of GL one.

I thought of a change as for the LIT proposal. Taking that crawler from the tile where drop probe is now will spend 3 LIT turns. We may do it better. This turn LIT helps two formers that just completed the solar colector to use these very turns to speed up borehole near SH. This way we will have it in 3.5 turns (2190 for worker placement). In 2188 LIT will move towrds EM and insted of that GPlex crawler possibly take the EM crawler. This would additionally help us get borehole 3-4 turns faster. I think it is worth it. Tile 24,64 can be worked afterwards. We may have some new clean formers in 2191, if everything goes fine.

	09-09-2005 03:32									#200
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quote: Originally posted by Hercules What we urgently need, is infiltration of Spartans.

I thought about it, and if we cannot infiltrate one of the ex-hive bases taken by Spartans, then we probably will do it when in war with them.

Spartans are too much profesional to do leave a base without a probe team. So I seriously doubt we gonna have a chance of doing Spartan Infiltration in peace time.

And it appears they stopped offensive against Yang. I wonder if it is good or bad. It may be as the outcome that they still do not have drop ability. On the other hand, they might try to hit one of our bases. Imagine Spartans take over the Heavens Gate. We should reinforce this base. AAA unit there?

Silsteel would be great technology now. AAA units in aerospace complexes would have 16+ on the defense.
100% for AAA
100% for aerospace complex

	09-09-2005 04:01									#201
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may i ask how they will attack that base with air units? there isnt anything within 8 tiles. they cant drop it.cant hit it.not on the first turn of the attack anyhow

however,the base has no defensive units at all. that *is* a prob. a drop elite rover could still take the base,or a few of them,quite easily

edit;although we dont really have much of our bases defended in that manner

edit2;why do we have a base named after snowflake?i thought i saw him on S member list

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	09-09-2005 04:54									#202
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Yes, the Heaven's Gate is very important. Any land units will be much easier to forward to Hive region through there. Also it is now a very well economically developed place.

Snowflake is a CMN in this game. All CMN are members of all factions.

Good proposal as for the rainy tile north of HS. It will then have 3 nutrients helping popboom HS or HG, and we get 5 minerals to either HS or KP.

	09-09-2005 04:58									#203
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Bases within air range for Spartans are Mart Pact, Hercules Station and Heavens Gate. That's why I proposed to park a bomber in MP to scout the nearest Spartan base. Additionally, we could park a number of F6's in Mart Pact/Heavens Gate as well, just in case they have assembled their airforce already. They should have Chaos Gun now, so in a number of turns they could construct and deploy them. Don't think they'll be able to upgrade yet, we 'took' energy they could use for that from under their noses.

I think Mart Pact should get an AAA plasma defender ASAP as well. Remember, Spartans had a probe cruiser in the area. After it's action last turn it should have returned to the nearest ex-UN base, and could be on the move now to one of our bases. If for instance Mart Pact or Heavens Gate is 'emptied' by an air assault, they could infiltrate us and call it peace afterwards again, as a sort of satisfaction for us not returning the energy at once.

Therefore, I think we should this turn make it very publicly that we're prepared to pay back, but still want to negotiate about the way how to do it as you proposed already, Mart.

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	09-09-2005 05:06									#204
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Geo, Do you propose just to:
- check the Yang Mine for encryption and then return to the fungus tile where foil probe now is, or
- probe now if not encrypted?
- check Labor Network too? and withdraw the foil probe where?

	09-09-2005 05:07									#205
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Wait one, I see we have a bomber already in MP and HS. We could do scout Fort Sol and Defiance Freehold already, and decide on the number of airforces we see send our fighters to the base within Spartan range.

	09-09-2005 05:10									#206
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quote: Originally posted by mart7x5 Geo, Do you propose just to: - check the Yang Mine for encryption and then return to the fungus tile where foil probe now is, or - probe now if not encrypted? - check Labor Network too? and withdraw the foil probe where?

Only checking for encryption. And if so, I propose to bring our foils in the area near Paradise Swarming. They can be covered there as well if necessary. I suppose we better wait for probe raping Yang when all our foils are in position, but it would help to know what bases to avoid. Yang Mine and Labor Network have been in range of Spartans for quite a while now. Perhaps we could ask the Gaians as well in what Hive bases they have used probe teams/foils.

	09-09-2005 05:30									#207
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Geo, I have tried scenario editor and unfortunatelly we will not be able to check the base and then withdraw:

- if the base is encrypted, then we can withdraw
- if the base is NOT encrypted, the "blame other faction" screen has no "cancel" button. We have to do it just in the turn we are sure we want to infiltrate Yang.

	09-09-2005 05:33									#208
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In that case I suggest putting our foils in a position where they can strike at more then one or two bases in the same turn. Actually, it makes sense if we would do a probe team strike at Yang Mine, regardless of encryption status, saving our 2 foils in the area for other bases.

	09-09-2005 05:34									#209
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Quote Geo
Therefore, I think we should this turn make it very publicly that we're prepared to pay back, but still want to negotiate about the way how to do it as you proposed already, Mart.

I agree with this.
This buys us time.

	09-09-2005 05:43									#210
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DPS Roze might approach Paradise Swarming then. Current Foil Probe could use Yang Mine or when withdrawing still use Labor Network, but only if Yang does not block the way there with some his foil.

So meanwhile the foil remains in the fungus where it was?