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Originally posted by Dis
who cares about U.S. deaths? |
oh lets see now.. maybe the family, friends and neighbours of those who have been killed.
It looks like 14 americans lives just got snuffed on Monday, Aug 1st.
But who cares right?
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BlackCat
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Originally posted by Max Webster
oh lets see now.. maybe the family, friends and neighbours of those who have been killed.
It looks like 14 americans lives just got snuffed on Monday, Aug 1st.
But who cares right? |
If they had been civilian workers, I would have agreed, but military personnel must expect losses - still losses are sad.
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Max Webster
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Originally posted by BlackCat
raped, tortured and killed by the regime that MOBIUS would have preferred as the ruling system today. |
That I would like to know. Just how many Iraqis where killed during Saddams tyranny and just how many have been killed during and after the invasion of Iraq by American forces.
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BlackCat
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Originally posted by Max Webster
That I would like to know. Just how many Iraqis where killed during Saddams tyranny and just how many have been killed during and after the invasion of Iraq by American forces. |
Sorry, tried to use that argument in another thread - was told that it wasn't relevant - please continue. Oh, don't start to refer to the site about boducounts - it is supposed to tell bad things about Iraq but aqtually does the opposite (oh, and that pisses certain posters seriously off, so they think that that site is a no go).
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Max Webster
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Originally posted by Dis
we had more people die in car accidents in my state alone |
well gee that just justifies it for me then, send more americans if you want. They are only going to get killed anyway.
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BlackCat
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
War isn't a job. It's a man made disaster. |
Quite true, but as long as there are humans around, then the job as soldier will continue to be valid. Especially to fight against those madmens that want to opress other people.
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Max Webster
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Originally posted by BlackCat
Sorry, tried to use that argument in another thread - was told that it wasn't relevant - please continue. Oh, don't start to refer to the site about boducounts - it is supposed to tell bad things about Iraq but aqtually does the opposite (oh, and that pisses certain posters seriously off, so they think that that site is a no go). |
I think its relevant. Saddam was a badass who needed to go. But he is just another jack ass who the US had no problem with until he got stupid and his ego went to his head. Just another little dictator among many who slaughtered his people. But this little dictator all of sudden gave the US a big hard on. The US simply saw 9/11 as an opportunity to gain control of a Middle east country that had plenty of oil. All the money the US spent on Iraq could have been used to find out who America's enemys really are.
They don't have a clue and they opened a big can of worms that future generations will dealing with for years.
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BlackCat
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
The Iraqis are establishing a government.
We have finished as much of the job as we can. We ****ed up too much at the begining to ever completely fix the mess we created.
The sooner we leave, the sooner the Iraqi people can return to a semblence of normalcy. |
And that they would have been able to do without the lieration forces ?
You have a point that really has buggered me - wtf didn't they repair water/electricity in the start ? Though, experinece shows that it is better if done by locals. Wrong level decision ? (little drunk short sentences, sorry)
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Max Webster
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Originally posted by Dis
we have to see this through to the end. Yes the word end doesn't necessarily apply. but I don't like the term exit strategy. We are supposed to remain until the job is done. |
Well I agree that the US should stay as long as possible. They removed Saddam and power vacumn was created and the US filled it. Now it would be nice if the US would slowly help Iraq rebuild itself. I know the US is trying to do that.
Hopefully they succeed. But geez somedays it just doesn't look like it.
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BlackCat
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Originally posted by Max Webster
They don't have a clue and they opened a big can of worms that future generations will dealing with for years. |
And if you just ignore a can, then it will just dissapear ?
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Max Webster
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Originally posted by BlackCat
And if you just ignore a can, then it will just dissapear ? |
Well it seems to me that they just keep creating more and more enemies as they go along.
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BlackCat
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Originally posted by Max Webster
Well it seems to me that they just keep creating more and more enemies as they go along. |
Oh, there weren't any before ? There wouldn't have been some if not interfered, and none would have popped up if not interferred ?
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Max Webster
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
The Iraqis are establishing a government.
We have finished as much of the job as we can. We ****ed up too much at the begining to ever completely fix the mess we created.
The sooner we leave, the sooner the Iraqi people can return to a semblence of normalcy. |
I have feeling the US is going to want to hang around for a bit. After all the US has put into this Iraq thing they will want to get something back. They will want a US friendly goverment and will want to neutralize all threats to this new goverment. I'm sure they will help establish a goverment, then a miltary and a police force. Until this force is strong and can control the country the US is not going anywhere.
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Max Webster
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Originally posted by BlackCat
Oh, there weren't any before ? There wouldn't have been some if not interfered, and none would have popped up if not interferred ? |
America always had and always will have enemys. Most of them are just small groups of loonys. That you don't destroy with tanks and planes.
But invading Iraq just added more to the list.
It wasn't till the US started meddling in the middle east some time ago that all these arabs in much larger groups started hating the US.
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BlackCat
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Originally posted by Max Webster
I have feeling the US is going to want to hang around for a bit. After all the US has put into this Iraq thing they will want to get something back. They will want a US friendly goverment and will want to neutralize all threats to this new goverment. I'm sure they will help establish a goverment, then a miltary and a police force. Until this force is strong and can control the country the US is not going anywhere. |
You are both right and wrong. Of course US wants a friendly country, but I seriosly doubt that they will made a such by military power. They will leave as soon as possible.
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BlackCat
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Originally posted by Max Webster
America always had and always will have enemys. Most of them are just small groups of loonys. That you don't destroy with tanks and planes.
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It might sound offending, but in my view this is palin BS.
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But invading Iraq just added more to the list.
It wasn't till the US started meddling in the middle east some time ago that all these arabs in much larger groups started hating the US. |
Such as ? Please tell what US did to provoke hate against US,
It is not me that want to know the answer on this - it is all secret services, governements, political partiies, organisations and common people.
If you really has the answer, please tell - we all want to know.
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