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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:37
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... and legends.
I find it interesting how Hitler and especially Himmler were so into these myths and legends. Even trying to find the Holy Grail, setting up massive resources to ultimately steal and rob cultural heritage, archeological findings etc and research them and so on.
It seems more and more like a cult, the whole nazi inner circle thing. They had all the knight stuff, and they used a lot of it in their massive events and propaganda. Easy to like things, knights are. That, combined with the whole racial purity and the idea of arayans being superior, investigating the race and other races, trying to find evidence to support the claims, or just make it up. But they were convinced of the arayan thing, even if they had to make up evidence.
It's an interesting mix, and it's like the madman gets ultimate resources, gathers himself with more loonies and gives them ultimate resources. What are the odds for that? Anyway, so they are like a cult, the top folks.
What interests me is how they turned into slaughter and genocide. Now, they really were interested in these mythologies and especially of arayan ones. Thinking that the country should be united, secured, and the racial purity contained. This would be good because... ... ? I don't know.
And why it means destroying others, that I do not know either.
But the interesting 'cult' turned into what we know happened. I don't know what the ratio of cult and just another power hungry dictator is. I mean that was it like a cult first, mixed up with other weird things, that turned into murderous reich, or was it supposed to be, at the beginning, a cult like thing, to prosper Germans, and to rise into glory, but with no plans to kill others and other races? Why was it necessary to take it on Jews and others to secure own race? I know they were blamed on lots of things, however as we know it was propaganda, so did the propaganda makers believe their own propaganda, if not, what were they trying to achieve with it?
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Riesstiu IV
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A little off topic, but I always found it odd how white nationalists and racists idealize Hitler but they will never realize that his policies and actions killed the most white people ever. Just look how many eastern Europeans, Russians, and Germans were killed because of his warmonger policies. Not only that they keep complaining how they are so downtrodden but they keep using age old symbols from the KKK and Nazism that are so out of place with the modern world. If white racists want to be successful, why don’t they start a new movement that isn’t associated with violence and insanity?
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:37
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When you move out the insanity and violence, it wouldn't be 'bad racism' anymore. So what kind of a movement would that be? 'Hey let's be proud of who we are and respect others as well'? Seems cool to me, if no bad discrimination is done. No problem. But what would it achieve? Nothing.
Then again, with violence and insanity, what would it achieve, what GOOD would it achieve? Nothing. But lots of bad things.
You do raise a good point, he did screw it all up, lots of people did die, for what? Not for victory.
But these are what I think.. needs to be separated in the nazi circle, SOME of the researchers. I'm not talking about the human test doing folks, but the ones doing proper investigation, but in order to bring out the cult side into reality. Like the search of the Holy Grail. They might have been, some of them, for genocides and whatr not, but that's not important, what is important is that they were like the real race people in a way, while the mindless thugs with guns were the murdering folks who wouldn't really need to investigate and research or know about things, just brainwashed from propaganda was enough.
I mean, they would not necessarily see the destruction of others as a way to achieve... to maintain the arayan race and rise. Maybe some of them would, but I bet not all thought like that.
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:37
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yeah.. talk about an akward situation!! 
Anyway.. I wanted this discussion to be more around the cult side of the whole thing.. the knights and stuff. And how big of a role it truly played in the PLANS of the leaders of nazis..
Because every dictator wants power. The conquering lords, they want even more power, some seek world domination, the ultimate power.
But why does it have to be 'our race must dominate'.. ? if you are power hungry, you just want the power, period, you don't care who is with you. You just want the power. So.. there was some belief in them that it must be so, or else it's not going to work, because supposedly arayan race would be so superior, and racial mixing would be bad and destroying this dream.
And this dream.. would it come from the cult thing, influenced heavily. So I think it plays a huge role, but what I'm trying to figure out is was it the whole cult thing first, and then they can of drove into a conclusion that everyone else must be destroyed, OR was it there all the way, but the cult thing was there too, and they can of shook hands anonymously?
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VetLegion
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So... is Finland a very diverse place, lots of races, cultures and so on?
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Caligastia
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quote:
Originally posted by Asher
Paging Cali! |
Yes?
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Caligastia
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Pekka -
You're right, the nazis were/are a cult. They tried to change the whole culture of Germany...creating their own national holidays...etc
As for why they turned to genocide, it seems that this sort of thing just goes hand-in-hand with fanatical nationalism.
There's nothing wrong with feeling a kinship with your racial/national group, it just has to be combined with a respect for others.
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Bereta_Eder
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racial purity is a myth. at least in europe.
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VetLegion
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At least in south Europe.
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Caligastia
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quote:
Originally posted by Pekka
Cali, Yes. But does anyone know if it was in plans to begin with, to destroy others or not.. or did it just got to that point early on, or later on. |
I'm pretty sure it was in the plan to begin with. Hitler was a very hateful man, and he started it all.
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Bereta_Eder
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quote:
Originally posted by VetLegion
At least in south Europe. |
All of Europe.
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Caligastia
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quote:
Originally posted by Kidicious
What probably happened is that people who wanted to "celebrate" their race started associating together, and it just so happens that they were all a bunch of militaristic and racist idiots as one would suspect. |
Your knowledge of Nazism and how it started seems to be extremely lacking. Hitler was incensed by Germany's humiliation in WWI and used the Jews as a scapegoat.
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:37
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yeah.. Hitler was a hater from early on though.. if it wasn't the racial thing, he would have started some other hating campagn. Then again, anti-semitism was high in those days, meaning the myths were believed by many, even the most redicilous ones.
One thing also always makes me wonder.. if the nazis.... and I don't just mean the SS, I mean like everyone.. why were they wearing uniforms like always? Acting like they're in the army or something, every day, now and forever? Was it normal in those days in there to wear military uniforms?
And what about people joining, I mean.. you are not sure what SS is, but you see they have uniforms, like every other nazi, and they are feared. So... what is this group, some detached group, secret police, rough and tough.. acting on it's own, policing everyone.. I mean.. how can they keep on going for so long. And most of all, why did they all always wore uniforms, war or not.
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Caligastia
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quote:
Originally posted by Bereta_Eder
racial purity is a myth. at least in europe. |
Racial purity is a myth everywhere as far as I'm concerned. As far as we can look back it's all a big mix.
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Caligastia
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quote:
Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Can't just blame it on Hitler. There are plenty of hateful men around, but there were enough likeminded hate filled people that he was able to be successful. |
Of course, but Hitler started the movement.
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Caligastia
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quote:
Originally posted by Kidicious
Hitler wasn't the founder of the Nazis. He joined. |
I never said he was the founder. He was the one who made them into the Nazi Party that took over Germany, however.
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