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Discussion involving homosexuality is below. If you don't want to read it, click the back button.

Anyway -- there's this kid, I think he's about 18. Goes to the same gym I do, obviously gay in his mannerisms. Or, more correctly, adheres to the flamboyant gay stereotype slightly (though not totally flamboyant). Anyway, he set off my gaydar, but I don't know if most straight guys would've seen it.

I talked to him a few times while waiting for machines, etc. He seemed kinda shy, nervous. While doing some lat pulldowns I noticed on his arms lots of scars -- looks like the kid has been cutting his wrists at least once, or perhaps more minor self-mutilation.

I decided to casually mention "my boyfriend" in conversation. He looked around cautiously when I said it, to see if anyone overheard...no doubt if someone reacted he'd have disassociated with me. He basically shrugged it off and changed the topic.

Fast forward to today (the above happened over a period of a couple months). By chance when I'm in the steam room after the workout, he comes in. No one else is there. He comes and sits a couple feet from me without saying anything, removes his towel and starts stroking it while looking at me.

I ignore it for a bit, so I look at him to acknowledge that I can see what he's trying to do...and he responds "did you want to go ****?"

I'm not about to f*ck around with some psycho-depressed kid in a public gym, but clearly the kid had issues. I decided I'd be a nice guy and maybe talk with him about it...try to get him to stop hating himself.

I asked him if he wanted to grab a coffee or something -- in hindsight, probably the wrong thing to say. He got the idea that I was trying to get to know him, like boyfriend material or something.

He put the towel back over himself quickly and responded, in a deeper than normal voice, "I'm not gay".

An uncomfortable pause.

I reply "Oh...well what was that then?"

He just got up and left the steam room at that point and hurried off to change and leave the room.

I saw him in his streets clothes as he left in a hurry -- he was wearing VERY baggy clothes with a "g-unit" t-shirt...

Poor kid. He's such a fairy. He wanted to **** around but he's "not gay". He's so desperate as to proposition men at a gym, but then flees whenever they talk about anything other than sex.

Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me to see this kid jumping off a bridge at some point.

Don't know why I posted this, I'm just so massively disturbed that **** like this still goes on in a country that even has legalized gay marriage.

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That's really ****ed up, dude.

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You should have sucked his ****. Bring him to the dark side

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Dear Imran,

He already is gay.

Sincerely,
Ann Landers

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Where's MRT144 when he's needed?

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Sucks, but OTOH I'm glad to see an Asher thread which isn't about some stupid computer stuff.....

*runs*

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Where's MRT144 when he's needed?

Actually, I looked for him on AIM before making this thread.

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I don't understand the gay world very much, but sounds like this guy does have issues.

My girlfriend is a christian, I try to explain to her the sciences why some people are gay. She refuses to believe. I even tell her things to open her eyes a bit, like "You know that sheep can be gay too? If God doesn't allow it, why would he make sheep be gay?", she will think about it and unfortunately result back to her usual answer "But God said not allowed".

If I were gay, I wouldn't wait for the world to catch up with reality.


I do have this theory though; I think some people are actually stuck between liking both sexes, but their brain cannot decide between the two, so their whole life is utter confusion from the day they hit puberty.

And of course, there are those who can decide, but some of them would not be natural.

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Dear Imran,

He already is gay.

Sincerely,
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And where does that specify that he was out of the closet now?

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Who said anything about the closet?

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I did, but instead of me explaining what the 'dark side' was, you assumed it as something else.

WTG

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I did, but instead of me explaining what the 'dark side' was, you assumed it as something else.

WTG


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"dark side" = homosexuality

That post in no way alludes to "being in the closet", or publically expressing his homosexuality to friends and loved ones.

WTG...

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You should have sucked his ****. Bring him to the dark side


"dark side" = homosexuality

That post in no way alludes to "being in the closet", or publically expressing his homosexuality to friends and loved ones.

WTG...


The man is now a mind reader!! Thank you for demonstrating that you assumed it to mean something different than from what the poster meant it to be .

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How the **** did you manage to get into a fight in this thread with Imran in 3 ****ing posts, Asher?

Sometimes I worry about you.

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The man is now a mind reader!! Thank you for demonstrating that you assumed it to mean something different than from what the poster meant it to be .

You should've taken more philosophy courses.

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You should have sucked his ****. Bring him to the dark side


The sentences are constructed in a way that they refer to a similar, or connected, idea. Therefore, the act of sucking his dick will "bring him to the dark side".

I'm not sure what "dark side" could mean aside from homosexuality. It certainly has nothing to do with social outness of his sexuality.

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It's obvious he's deeply conflicted about his feelings, gay or otherwise. It isn't your place to play counselor to this kid, but you can point him in the direction of someone who can help him professionally (or at least with better, more pertinent skills). Look up a local Gay/Bi/Lesbian support center and see if you can get a business card that you can hand to him. Make sure it's the type of place that when you call it can be completely anonymous if you want it to be. If/when you encounter this guy again, just be cool about it, don't corner him anywhere and just say, "After what we talked about last time, it's obvious you have a problem that I can't help you with, but you can give these folks a call. It's anonymous, they won't know who you are unless you want them to, and they can help you through this far better than I could."

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The sentences are constructed in a way that they refer to a similar, or connected, idea. Therefore, the act of sucking his dick will "bring him to the dark side".

I'm not sure what "dark side" could mean aside from homosexuality. It certainly has nothing to do with social outness of his sexuality.


Of course it is... if he has a boyfriend (or Hell, feels loved by a man for the first time in his life), he is much more apt to come out of the closet.

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Of course it is... if he has a boyfriend (or Hell, feels loved by a man for the first time in his life), he is much more apt to come out of the closet.

Having sex with a random guy in a steam room does not constitute having a boyfriend, and it certainly won't make him more apt to come out of the closet...

The problem here is you're connecting ideas that shouldn't be connected. Random promiscuous sex does not equal boyfriend and self-confidence.

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How the **** did you manage to get into a fight in this thread with Imran in 3 ****ing posts, Asher?

Sometimes I worry about you.


I fight with Imran all the time. The man's wrong so much, but he'll try to spin it different ways.

I have a sneaking suspicion he's intentionally taking absurd positions and trying to argue his way out of it -- practice for being a lawyer.

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Random sex for a guy who most likely has never had his feelings reciprocated won't give a person self-confidence? WTF?

Me thinks the kid was a virgin... losing that definetly is a confidence builder for guys.

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It's obvious he's deeply conflicted about his feelings, gay or otherwise. It isn't your place to play counselor to this kid, but you can point him in the direction of someone who can help him professionally (or at least with better, more pertinent skills). Look up a local Gay/Bi/Lesbian support center and see if you can get a business card that you can hand to him. Make sure it's the type of place that when you call it can be completely anonymous if you want it to be. If/when you encounter this guy again, just be cool about it, don't corner him anywhere and just say, "After what we talked about last time, it's obvious you have a problem that I can't help you with, but you can give these folks a call. It's anonymous, they won't know who you are unless you want them to, and they can help you through this far better than I could."


I would gag if somebody did that to me and throw out the card before someone notices it. But, if I do see the kid again, I'll give him some gay/bi/lesbian support number. We'll see.

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Random sex for a guy who most likely has never had his feelings reciprocated won't give a person self-confidence? WTF?

Me thinks the kid was a virgin... losing that definetly is a confidence builder for guys.

He's not a virgin, I know for a fact that he's fooled around with other guys (and didn't care if they lacked a condom). I'm not going to go into details about this, but I've heard it from someone else I talked to today at the gym about this kid.

And no, promiscuous sex is not a confidence builder.

It's still an amazing leap to think that sucking his dick would make him come out and be proud of himself. Absurd, even.

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It's still an amazing leap to think that sucking his dick would make him come out and be proud of himself. Absurd, even.


With a guy who seems to indicate unreciprocated feelings, getting those reciprocated is a large step towards acceptance.

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promiscuous sex is not a confidence builder.


.... WTF?

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I would gag if somebody did that to me and throw out the card before someone notices it. But, if I do see the kid again, I'll give him some gay/bi/lesbian support number. We'll see.


Pardon the pun, but suck it up. I'd find it terribly awkward too if it were me in your situation. However, this isn't about you or me. This is about helping someone so deeply troubled that taking this simple action may end up saving him from himself. Just focus on that.

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.... WTF?

It's not an accomplishment to have sex with a horny gay man. It's really not.

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You must bring that poor soul into the light and show him that his fifthly degenerate sexual activities spit in the face of our lord. The bible specifically says that thou shalt not lay with another man.

Praise the lord! Instead of being gay for other men, tell him to be gay for Jesus. We should all be gay for Jesus for Jesus shows us the true path to salvation.

I'm gay for Jesus. You're gay for Jesus. We're all gay for Jesus!

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Maybe he's religious, and that's the root cause of his problems.

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That'd be even sadder.

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sounds like a lost boy to me.. I feel sorry for him. He is gay, but has troubles with it inside of him. That's the worst I guess.

Anyway, a gay dude totally came on me last saturday when I was out for the night. Difficult to tell what it was, it wasn't anything he said or did, he in fact only talked to me like few minutes on the counter of the bar ordering drinks, and I totally knew he was gay. And he sent a probe to me to see if I was gay, but I subtly turned him down. He didn't get it first, so he sent another probe, so I still turned it down, because I just wasn't polite the first time. I just don't like another mans penis inside me, or on me. So.. I don't know.. that was a good night though, girls also came on to me. Now that I think about it.. boy and girls came on to me. Damn, I'm pretty damn good. And I initiated 0 of those come ons. Praise be mine.

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Maybe he's religious, and that's the root cause of his problems.


The bible specifically says the only true course to salvation is through self-mutilation, being gay for Jesus, and running a salt mine using Thai children as labor. I don't see how this could be the root cause for any personal problems.

 
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