12-08-2005 19:17									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison I don't think so

MosesPresley was 100-0'ed too. Goes to show an idiot can make a smart fellow look like a fool.

	12-08-2005 19:51									#62
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark The notion that most Americans are raving creationists simply doesnt jive with my personal experience.

You do live in a somewhat more intellectual part of the country.

	12-08-2005 19:59									#63
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara You do live in a somewhat more intellectual part of the country.

Sh**, man, I live in Fairfax County Virginia. Nearest house of worship to my home is a"Primitive Baptist" church. Plenty of folks with southern roots. Plenty of conservatives. Guys who work for DoD, for military contractors, etc. One of my daughters best friends at school is a Baptist. (It became an issue, they wanted to do sleepovers, and POTM couldnt do friday night, cause she needed to be up early for shul every week in the year of her Bat Mitzvah, and the friend couldnt do Saturday night cause she has to be up for church EVERY weekend - we finally arranged for it on Friday nights on the few weekends POTM didnt have to be in shul - the friend learned ALOT more about Jewish shabbat rituals then most Baptist kids - she especially likes the candle lighting part, the little pyro) This is NOT a liberal secularist outpost. Its more the boundary between liberal secularist Arlington and Alexandria and the rest of the state. And you go out to Loudon county, or down to Prince William, and it gets more conservative.

	12-08-2005 20:07									#64
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quote: Sh**, man, I live in Fairfax County Virginia.

Yeah, one of the most intellectual parts of the country. And in my experience, we're pretty liberal secularist.

'course, I go to geek school (TJ), so that may be it.

	12-08-2005 20:07									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Guynemer In fact, I'm Ming right now.

In fact, 45% of 'Poly posters are Ming.

	12-08-2005 20:09									#66
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And the other 65% are AH's DLs.

	12-08-2005 20:11									#67
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I'm not... so I must be in the remaining 5%

	12-08-2005 20:18									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker quote: Sh**, man, I live in Fairfax County Virginia. Yeah, one of the most intellectual parts of the country. And in my experience, we're pretty liberal secularist. 'course, I go to geek school (TJ), so that may be it.

Yup, TJ isnt quite representative I think. Heck, how many kids in the county go to christian schools? And even most public schools are likely different from TJ.

You might try visiting those parts of the county where they dont have 5 bathrooms per house

Sure we have lots of college educated engineers and what have you. And we are liberal by Virginia standards. But Manhattan or Berkeley this aint. Hell, this aint as culturally liberal as North Arlington.


I mean guev lives in Fort Lauderdale, no? Im willing to bet thats a good bit more secularist than Fairfax County.

	12-08-2005 20:30									#69
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Yes, but I did live in Jacksonville.

	12-08-2005 20:35									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Theben MosesPresley was 100-0'ed too. Goes to show an idiot can make a smart fellow look like a fool.

100-0? I added correctly. But if you mean, that I got 100-0'ed by participating in this sorry excuse of a thread, then I'm guilty as charged.

I don't think a person is a "moron" simply based on whether or not they believe in creationism. They have to have a few other suspect beliefs too.

[A well-known scientist once gave a public lecture on astronomy. He described how the earth orbits around the sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the centre of a vast collection of stars called our galaxy.

At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: "What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise."

The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, "What is
the tortoise standing on?"

"You're very clever, young man, very clever," said the old lady. "But it's turtles all the way down."]

	12-08-2005 20:38									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer "45% of Americans are Morons " I'd like to proudly state that I'm in the other 65%.

I'll bget you always give your 110% in everything.

	12-08-2005 20:40									#72
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quote: Originally posted by MosesPresley 100-0? I added correctly. But if you mean, that I got 100-0'ed by participating in this sorry excuse of a thread, then I'm guilty as charged.

You're 100-0ed for giving a relatively serious response to Lancer's winked statement.

	12-08-2005 20:43									#73
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark Yup, TJ isnt quite representative I think. Heck, how many kids in the county go to christian schools? And even most public schools are likely different from TJ.

Many, many of the kids who go to Catholic schools aren't Catholic or even Christian.

quote: You might try visiting those parts of the county where they dont have 5 bathrooms per house Sure we have lots of college educated engineers and what have you. And we are liberal by Virginia standards. But Manhattan or Berkeley this aint. Hell, this aint as culturally liberal as North Arlington.

Something like 13% of adults here have graduate degrees.

	12-08-2005 20:54									#74
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I knew very few people who were still creationists after highschool..

although many churchs are basically creationist

I also don't see how creationism and evolution are fundamentally at odds, and can't be made to play happily if people have open enough minds

JM

	12-08-2005 21:08									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Many, many of the kids who go to Catholic schools aren't Catholic or even Christian. LOTM - i was thinking more of the fundie schools - Catholic schools dont usually call themselves "Christian" schools. Neither do Episcopalian schools (dont ask ME why) quote: You might try visiting those parts of the county where they dont have 5 bathrooms per house Sure we have lots of college educated engineers and what have you. And we are liberal by Virginia standards. But Manhattan or Berkeley this aint. Hell, this aint as culturally liberal as North Arlington. Something like 13% of adults here have graduate degrees.

87% dont. So if half or so of non-graduate degreed america is creationist, you should see it around here. Folks getting upset at evolutionist explanations at county nature centers. Stuff like that. I just dont see it. Which leads me think that the creationism expressed in this poll is just as thin across the country as it is here.

	12-08-2005 21:13									#76
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Yes, but I did live in Jacksonville.

So did I you will recall. Where I wouldnt be surprised if the majority was seriously creationist (though there sure as hell were plenty of folks who werent) So look at Florida. Think about South Fla, Tampa Bay, the Space Coast vs Jax and the panhandle (and in between areas like Orlando) Can you really imagine that half of Florida is REALLY creationist - not just as far as affirming genesis to a pollster, but rejecting evolutionary explanations of things as deep in the popular culture as dinosaurs? I mean if this is not a true picture of Florida, or Virginia, is it a true picture of the USA (which isnt all Kansas or Mississippi)? I suggest it is not.

	12-08-2005 21:44									#77
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quote: The last thing a bad thread needs is an imitation.

-that's sig material

oh, and UR was refering to this wonderful thread as the "bad thread"

	12-08-2005 21:46									#78
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I wouldn't be surprised at all if Florida was more than half creationist. This is a state where religion still holds sway over politics: gays can't adopt or have civil rights, Terry Schiavo, etc. Jacksonville, politically, is controled by the First Baptist Church.

	12-08-2005 21:48									#79
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Florida has baptist idiots, old morons caught in their ways, and catholic nuts from cuba... and che of course

	12-08-2005 21:49									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Theben You're 100-0ed for giving a relatively serious response to Lancer's winked statement.

We don't play those games here, Tomdom.

	12-08-2005 21:51									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Japher Florida has baptist idiots, old morons caught in their ways, and catholic nuts from cuba... and che of course

That last one's the dumbest of the lot.

	12-08-2005 22:03									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Asher It's normally a very loose term, except when someone uses it specifically like: quote: It's a fact that 50% of any large enough population are idiots. So? Which is alluding to its definition of someone of "sub-normal" intelligence.

Nah it's simply loose.

	12-08-2005 22:06									#83
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At least 45 % of the UK's people are British. You can't doubt that.

	12-08-2005 22:27									#84
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It's monkeys all the way down.

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	12-08-2005 22:29									#85
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I wouldn't be surprised at all if Florida was more than half creationist. This is a state where religion still holds sway over politics: gays can't adopt or have civil rights, Terry Schiavo, etc. Jacksonville, politically, is controled by the First Baptist Church.

when i was there, there was talk of making Duval County dry - that failed miserably. And they never got rid of the many adult entertainment establishments. FBC didnt really run things then - the old Duval county business establishment ran things.

In any case, I knew plenty of folks, Yankee transplants, Episcopalians and what not, who were certainly not creationists. But they may well have been a minority (the leading new contestant for power, IIRC, was the growing black population, and i suppose many of them are 'creationists')

	12-08-2005 22:40									#86
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creationists = retards

	12-08-2005 22:53									#87
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once again Sava says it in away that doesn't require us "non-morons" to understand maths

	12-08-2005 22:56									#88
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the place whre I have seen creationism discussed the most (in the last few years)

was in a summer program for young black women who were interested in being scientists (physicists in particular)

they were all creationists...

Jon Miller

	13-08-2005 00:08									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Sava creationists = retards

But then sava = creationist

	13-08-2005 00:10									#90
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ooh, a brain teaser! It's like one of those paraducks!