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Flubber
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With a view of the Rockies
Aug 2000
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Oh and can we forget about the wife-beater sidetrack?
It was a comment by me, but an aside . I still do believe that a man without some good male role models is more likely to exhibit that behavior than one without them but I have nothing to back that up. I do agree that the most likely beater is someone that has experienced it and lived it themselves. I believe there is truckloads of evidence on this cycle of violence.
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Q Cubed
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t3h y3ll0w p3ril
Apr 1999
time: 23:37
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Wasn't this posted before ?? |
Perhaps, I linked to it on the "I'm Not Gay" thread...
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Wow, like that surprises me.
I'll wait and see if anyone here on the forum agrees with FotF, or whether this will be like the usual circlejerks. |
While there are some general, possibly useful parenting tips in there, like, "Fathers are important to sons", the basic thrust of the essay, which is ostensibly to "prevent homosexuality", seems to be lacking in anything solid and conclusive. Quite frankly, it is a load of bs. I fail to see how bathing with your son and having him notice your penis is supposed to somehow make sure he stays straight. (Incidentally, I was under the impression that a lot of anonymous homosexual sex occured in bathhouses?)
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I also believe that this much lambasted 'reparative therapy' does work on folks who want to change and overcome their inclinations, much like alcoholics who go to AA. |
I'm sure it works. The human mind is amazing, if not wonderful, in its ability to convince oneself of one thing or another. I'm sure if someone made a "reparative therapy" school for turning straights into gays, it would work on those who want to change and overcome their inclinations.
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Going back to the article, this offends me:
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More often, they displayed a "nonmasculinity" that set them painfully apart from other boys: unathletic, somewhat passive, unaggressive and uninterested in rough-and-tumble play. |
I've always considered myself masculine--most "feminine" things disinterest me. I've never been interested in making lanyards, for instance. (Off the top of my head.)
On the other hand, what I've always been interested in--i.e., reading, writing, thinking, computing, tinkering--is all in comparison, unathletic, rather passive, unaggressive, and not rough-and-tumble at all. In the context of this article, he makes them seem... second-class. As if the development of the mind is somehow unimportant in raising a child.
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Boris Godunov
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Portland, OR
Aug 2001
time: 00:37
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Originally posted by Q Cubed
I'm sure it works. The human mind is amazing, if not wonderful, in its ability to convince oneself of one thing or another. I'm sure if someone made a "reparative therapy" school for turning straights into gays, it would work on those who want to change and overcome their inclinations.
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Actually, no, it doesn't work. While groups like Exodus categorically refuse to release any sort of numbers on their "successes," real psychiatric experts have examined those who have undergone such therapy. They noted that it often had a negative impact on self-image, as patients overwhelmingly did not change their orientation, only suppressed their sexual urges. In fact, even those claiming success in the therapy will often admit they haven't lost their homosexual urges.
A study I linked to in an earlier argument over this examined ~116 gay men who had underwent therapy, and all but 2 admitted to still being gay, and something like a 2-1 majority had engaged in gay sex since the therapy. By any measure, that makes such therapy a failure.
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:37
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Originally posted by Dis
It's probably a joke site. Like the site on how to prevent masturbation. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focus_on_the_Family
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Focus on the Family (FOTF or FotF), founded in 1977, is an evangelical Christian 501(c)(3) non-profit organization based in the United States. The organization describes itself as "dedicated to nurturing and defending families worldwide". The group was founded by Dr. James Dobson and is headquartered in Colorado Springs, Colorado. Focus on the Family is one of a number of evangelical para-church organizations that have arisen in the last decade. Their stated aim is not to start a new church or denomination, but to work interdenominationally to protect and promote their definitions of traditional family and family values. Some of the core promotional activities of the organization include a daily radio broadcast by Dobson or his aides, as well as the publishing of a variety of magazines.
In response to perceived threats to the family from changing world views in society, Dobson and his associates have become more politically active, and are regarded as a major voice in the Christian right, generally promoting socially conservative policies. Recently it began publishing a new political magazine called Citizen which addresses political concerns, especially on issues where current public policies are seen as threatening to conservative families.
The organization has an affiliate in Canada called Focus on the Family Canada. |
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Rufus T. Firefly
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is one way of saying it, though I prefer "mensch"
Sep 2000
time: 07:37
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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Actually, no, it doesn't work. While groups like Exodus categorically refuse to release any sort of numbers on their "successes," real psychiatric experts have examined those who have undergone such therapy. They noted that it often had a negative impact on self-image, as patients overwhelmingly did not change their orientation, only suppressed their sexual urges. In fact, even those claiming success in the therapy will often admit they haven't lost their homosexual urges. |
What you have to remember, Boris, is that by their standards this is precisely what it would mean for the therapy to work. This nonsense arises because what they (and fundies generally) have cast homosexuality as is a weird mix of moral dilemma and behavior modification problem: the moral dimension is the temptation to "sin"; the behavior mod issue is the giving in to temptation. I'd imagine that even suggesting that they could remove the temptation would actually be blasphemous; so, they settle for encouraging the resistance of "temptation" -- encouraging what we recognize as repression.
So they are being successful; it's just that what they call "success" is what we would call "monstrous psychological harm."
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