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Sava is offline Sava
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The main difference is that in WWII, and all previous wars that USA, OR UK, have been involved, you could tell the opposition.

Mobius is so astute in his observations on USA, he should have noticed that.
Not to say he didn't, and chooses to ignore.

The other main problem is we don't have fine warriors like Mobius and Sava involved to talk the terrorists to death.
being from texas, I can understand why you are

talk the terrorists to death? wtf?

I'm the guy who wants to nuke the mideast, so stfu before I shove a cowboy hat up yer ass!

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BS.

You can't hit a single person with a nuke or for that matter conventional bombing if you don't know where he is.

When I said we could've use nukes and killed half the population, where did you get off track and assume that was only one person.

Last I checked more than 2 people live in the middle east.

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Your other claim that some country had their population nuked to 50 % is new to me - where did that happen ?

I didn't make that claim. Your new to this posting stuff and haven't quite got the "reading" part down yet have you?

(Not that anyone else on this forum has either.)

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If the us intelligence and army isn't capabable to do more than one thing at a time, then I'll suggest that you let some heads roll and hire people that can administer more than one thing at a time. It's common practise in the rest of the world.

About other than military solutions - well you haven't read all of the thread

You are right in that lousy top management can mess up a lot, but even perfect management can't improve geographical and logistical problems.

Glad to see that Kuci's mention of those 3 bill women out there didn't disturb you


BS

You have theory, that's it.

Here's the deal:

1) Iraq is f'ed up
2) Osama runs free

Tell me exaclty what IS going right?

So apparently there is much competent administration going on, as even many Republican Senators have said publicly many times.

We should have had tunnel vision from day one on tracking Bin Laden. Now you never ever hear about him. The American People should have demanded daily updates and this should have been treated as our national priority every single day until he was found.

The response I expected should have been the most massive manhunt in the history of the world.

Instead we have a botched operation and a sideshow hogging up all the best resources. Since you mentioned the "rest of the world," the "rest of the world" pretty much disagrees with everything that is going on.

I can work 2 jobs, that's great, but it's likely that I will be mediocre, AT BEST at those 3 jobs. Had I dedicated myself to only one, my performance would be much much better.


It's common sense, check into it.

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To make MOBIUS happy, think of it as trading time vs human lives.

Less than 250 Americans have died lookig for Osama (counting only those killed in Afghanistan) in the last 4 years. In 4 years 250,000 plus Americans died in WW2.

See, its a simple time/lives equation.

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When I said we could've use nukes and killed half the population, where did you get off track and assume that was only one person.

Last I checked more than 2 people live in the middle east.


I didn't make that claim. Your new to this posting stuff and haven't quite got the "reading" part down yet have you?

(Not that anyone else on this forum has either.)


Yeah, and you have posted so long that you have become fat and lazy not checking what you write. Too many hamburgers ?

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If the US went after Osama like it went after Japan and Germany it might have achieved better results.


IS OBL one or two persons ?

quote:

Course I wasn't necessarily opposed to mass bombing the entire middle east and killing off over 50% of the local population while utilizing atomic/nuclear bombs, but then I wasn't making the calls on that.


After your clarification, I can see what you mean by this statement -though, that would not have guarated any hit on OBL.

Try concentrating on expressing what you mean instead of the hamburgers.

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Yeah, and you have posted so long that you have become fat and lazy not checking what you write. Too many hamburgers ?

Actually I went back to check my post to see if I had mistyped something, but it was pretty plain, and the poster right after you understood it.

So I guess its just your inability to read English thats to blame.

But your point on Michael Moore is taken, and I agree he needs to learn to keep his mouth shut.

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Actually I went back to check my post to see if I had mistyped something, but it was pretty plain, and the poster right after you understood it.

So I guess its just your inability to read English thats to blame.

But your point on Michael Moore is taken, and I agree he needs to learn to keep his mouth shut.


Yep, he might have done that, but he is an english speaking person - or more precise, an english thinking person.

I know and agrees upon that the common language here is english, but there is quite a difference in reading a language and how you think when you are reading/writing.

This site is pretty international, so you can't expect that every participant complies to english (or should I say american) thinking, so even people from those countries has to be clear in their writing - if not they risk to be looked on as moorons (some of you are, but that goes for a certain percentage of all people ).

I hope that you can see my point.

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I don't understand why conservatwits dislike MM so much? I mean, if he's really just a big fat guy spouting off garbage, why feel threatened by him?

I mean, you don't see me with an Ann Coulter avatar constantly *****ing about her?

GF and his ilk are just scared little boys

SCARED OF TEH BIG FAT MAN!!

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I don't understand why conservatwits dislike MM so much? I mean, if he's really just a big fat guy spouting off garbage, why feel threatened by him?

I mean, you don't see me with an Ann Coulter avatar constantly *****ing about her?

GF and his ilk are just scared little boys

SCARED OF TEH BIG FAT MAN!!


Well, my question is why so many leftwingers just love him so much. I mean, how many people do really like a Honey wagon to dump it's content on their front lawn ? It seems that a lot of them accept the stench if they think that some of it at least will be attached to the rightwingers.

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I love him because he's funny...

and because he makes the righties **** their pants

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I love him because he's funny...

and because he makes the righties **** their pants




Yeah, the banana stunt is of course funny for a second, but then it becomes boring.

You are of course rigth, the ****y righties **** their pants, but the rest doesn't really care.

Asher is offline Asher
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I hate MM because he's not funny, and because he's a spindoctor just like the worst on the right.

The lefties who like him are just as spineless as the righties who loathe him because of his policies.

Sensible people loathe him because he lies and misleads to further his agenda, regardless of what his agenda is.

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I find Michale Moore pretty funny. It's scary that people believe him, but then again; it's scary that people believe Ann Coulter. You just have to accept there are gullible people in the world who will follow what other people tell them.

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I mean, you don't see me with an Ann Coulter avatar constantly *****ing about her?


Could we get a clarification, please?

Who and what do you not constantly ***** about?

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BS

You have theory, that's it.

Here's the deal:

1) Iraq is f'ed up
2) Osama runs free

Tell me exaclty what IS going right?

So apparently there is much competent administration going on, as even many Republican Senators have said publicly many times.

We should have had tunnel vision from day one on tracking Bin Laden. Now you never ever hear about him. The American People should have demanded daily updates and this should have been treated as our national priority every single day until he was found.

The response I expected should have been the most massive manhunt in the history of the world.

Instead we have a botched operation and a sideshow hogging up all the best resources. Since you mentioned the "rest of the world," the "rest of the world" pretty much disagrees with everything that is going on.

I can work 2 jobs, that's great, but it's likely that I will be mediocre, AT BEST at those 3 jobs. Had I dedicated myself to only one, my performance would be much much better.


It's common sense, check into it.

Thanks


Ted makes some very good points - perhaps that is why the usual suspects haven't had the courage to answer them...?

Sava is offline Sava
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I hate MM because he's not funny, and because he's a spindoctor just like the worst on the right.

The lefties who like him are just as spineless as the righties who loathe him because of his policies.

Sensible people loathe him because he lies and misleads to further his agenda, regardless of what his agenda is.


oh please, educate us on his "lies"

in his books, like 15 pages at the end are dedicated to sources

sources about the movie are found online

have you even seen or read his work?

ignorant little tools talking about **** they don't know about

I don't agree with some of his opinions or POV's... but he presents facts, gives his opinion, and lets the audience make up their own mind.

take some of the things MM brings up in F9-11... like Bush's connections to saudis and the bin ladens and such. the facts are clear. Intelligent people are aware. you are not.

tis a shame...

but I've learned that's the way the world works... you have people that are informed... and others who know/care less about what's going on in the world than the next xbox coming out.

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No one really cares, Sava.

Sava is offline Sava
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and that's whats really sad

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Why do you feel teh fat man should trigger someone's gives a crap?

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The other main problem is we don't have fine warriors like Mobius and Sava involved to talk the terrorists to death.


A new way to torture..

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Oooooohhhhhhh. I can't wait until someone advocates legalizing terror in order to end the war on terror.


In fact that might be one of the two solutions (along with stopping US influence in muslim lands).

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BS

You have theory, that's it.

Here's the deal:

1) Iraq is f'ed up
2) Osama runs free

Tell me exaclty what IS going right?


1) Iraq isn't some garden party, but to say it's f'ed up is a far cry. Some jerks didn't realize that simple things such as secure and rebuild water and power from day one would have made wonders.

2) Yes, and he will as long as he keeps his ass out of areas where he can be caught.
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So apparently there is much competent administration going on, as even many Republican Senators have said publicly many times.

We should have had tunnel vision from day one on tracking Bin Laden. Now you never ever hear about him. The American People should have demanded daily updates and this should have been treated as our national priority every single day until he was found.

The response I expected should have been the most massive manhunt in the history of the world.


Instead we have a botched operation and a sideshow hogging up all the best resources. Since you mentioned the "rest of the world," the "rest of the world" pretty much disagrees with everything that is going on.

I can work 2 jobs, that's great, but it's likely that I will be mediocre, AT BEST at those 3 jobs. Had I dedicated myself to only one, my performance would be much much better.


It's common sense, check into it.




And that is not happening ? What do you want ? That FBI sends agents to Pakistani/Afghan border and CIA to the Iran/Afghan borders ? What you want can't be done except you send in millions of soldiers and start a couple of wars.

The comparison with a single persons ability to do several things at the same time just doesn't make any sense when talking about organisations. Especially since it's not a military object to locate OBL unless they stumble over him - it's a job for the intelligence organisations (well, if these organisations find him, it may be the mili that do something).

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To make MOBIUS happy, think of it as trading time vs human lives.

Less than 250 Americans have died lookig for Osama (counting only those killed in Afghanistan) in the last 4 years. In 4 years 250,000 plus Americans died in WW2.

See, its a simple time/lives equation.


Wow! That's great news. Now we know that we can solve the Osama bin Laden problem with fewer lives lost than in ww2, 'cause I'm sure he's gonna check out in a lot less than 1000 years. Should we cash in on this dividend and go after some more terrorists?

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If we avoid actually looking for Bin Laden with our men - none will get killed! Genius!

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If we avoid actually looking for Bin Laden with our men - none will get killed! Genius!


Execpt of course those that OBL and associates kills.

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Execpt of course those that OBL and associates kills.


you still believe OBL was behind 911.

We all know it was Saddam Hussein with his weapons of mass destruction.

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1) Iraq isn't some garden party, but to say it's f'ed up is a far cry. Some jerks didn't realize that simple things such as secure and rebuild water and power from day one would have made wonders.


Helloooo! Reality check - it's ****ed up! Or at least I hate to think what your idea of normal is...

Yep, those jerks were also responsible for invading the country...

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2) Yes, and he will as long as he keeps his ass out of areas where he can be caught.




I am sure a concerted attempt to scour the Tribal Lands of Pakistan would have turned him up by now - face it they aren't trying hard enough...

They even know where he is...

Why else did he escape when they thought they had him cornered in Tora Bora - perhaps relying on the use of Afghan irregulars instead of US troops might have been a bad idea in hindsight?

quote:
And that is not happening ? What do you want ? That FBI sends agents to Pakistani/Afghan border and CIA to the Iran/Afghan borders ? What you want can't be done except you send in millions of soldiers and start a couple of wars.


What about using intelligence to pinpoint his location? Find out where the Al-Qaeda types are hiding etc - all elementary stuff really...

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The comparison with a single persons ability to do several things at the same time just doesn't make any sense when talking about organisations. Especially since it's not a military object to locate OBL unless they stumble over him - it's a job for the intelligence organisations (well, if these organisations find him, it may be the mili that do something).


But he isn't a single person - he will have people around him. Even now the US will know of Al-Qaeda bases in the Tribal lands. People will know things...

Are you seriously telling me that all the power of the world's only superpower can be rendered useless by one man?

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We all know it was Saddam Hussein with his weapons of mass destruction.


Yeah, why else would we go after him and not Bin Laden?

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Execpt of course those that OBL and associates kills.


You mean the ones we made into sitting ducks in Iraq?

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No, more like the people in the World Trade Center, dumbass.

 
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